Ladon, My grandfater is American Indian, not Native Indian.

This means his mother was an original native of North America.

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It's quite alright Ladon, if I'm going to write the great Scottish novel I been thinking off, I have to go solo, I'll rent a crofters cottage and it will be just my laptop, the sea, the rain, Uiileam Eosaph, and write, write, write. (Mrs. M. you'll help with Gaelic and such, won't you?)

My story takes place in Eilean Donan Castle, (Dornie, Scotland) stronghold of the Mackenzies of Kintail:


“The Laird of Calder had just been murdered , Ainsley Campbell of Lochnell has taken refuge in Eilean Donan Castle. Uiileam Eosaph, (Liam) ...”

...and to know more you will have to buy the book, which of course will be in the best sellers list for months and months, and I will get a Pulitzer and will be able to buy Eilean Donan Castle from the MacRae family and I’ll live happily ever after, oh by the way, when I settle in my castle you all will be invited to visit.

Today's weather in So-Cal: Sunny and warm (for a change )

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Ladon, My grandfater is American Indian, not Native Indian.

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So did one his parents immigrated from India?

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NOOO! Native Americans are commonly refered to as American Indians!

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The common nomenclature is incorrect. Native Americans are not Indians, so why call them American Indian?

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[This message was edited by Ladon on 10-07-04 at 09:20 PM.]

This is weired, because in my country/language, we call Native Americans 'Red Indian'.


"Awards International may own this place, but it belongs to the members, and we are the custodians": TN (The administrator)

And in the USA if you refer to a Native American Indian as "red" it is derogatory language and would offend the people it refers to.

LADON

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The common nomenclature is incorrect. Native Americans are not Indians, so why call them American Indian?

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I do not know, that is just what they are called. In fact, not far from here is an Indian Reservation. And it is called just that, the Seneca Indian Reservation. I do not know why things are called what they are.



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And in the USA if you refer to a Native American Indian as "red" it is derogatory language and would offend the people it refers to.

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That's why it's weired. In our language it's not like being offensive or racism like saying 'Negro' or something like that it's basically refers to Native Americans with painted face and feathers hat.

Like you said

I do not know, that is just what they are called.

I do not know why things are called what they are.

Probably wasn't thinking about being 'politically correct'.


"Awards International may own this place, but it belongs to the members, and we are the custodians": TN (The administrator)

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I do not know, that is just what they are called.

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They are called that because when Europeans landed in the caribbean they thought it was India. Hence things like the West Indies, which is in the western caribbean. Why should an entire race be named incorrectly because of some europeans cultural ignorance?

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In fact, not far from here is an Indian Reservation. And it is called just that, the Seneca Indian Reservation.

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And it's wrong. Unless actual Indians from India came across the Pacific and populated America, Native Americans cannot be called Indians.

Argument from tradition is a fallacy. Don't use it.

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Have we strayed from the original topic or what? lol

Lets try getting back on track please.

There ya go!!!

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Todays weather in Scotland

Well firstly Alice you are welcome anytime to pick my brains with the lingo in these here parts!

I'm writing 2 novels as it happens, right now as well as my usual non-fiction - busy woman.#

However, I digresss - the weather in Scotland today is just glorious - no more high winds, storms et al.

I put new bird seed in the wee tree house that I have, as well as nuts hanging from a branch and a scooped out coconut filled with fat and seeds for Robins and tiny birds which have recently arrived in my garden.

I even sat outside for a while reading this afternoon - I love the sunshine whether it is cold or not.

Alice could write her book from a lighthouse which is closeby - only thing is you get your supplies delivered monthly by boat ! , maybe that's a bit rougher than any of us would wish!

~~~~Littera scripta manet~~~ the written word remains. (the saying continues; The weak word perishes)

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originally posted by ladon:
And it's wrong. Unless actual Indians from India came across the Pacific and populated America, Native Americans cannot be called Indians.

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Other than the reasoning that Alice gave in her Native Americans thread, the mystery of calling them "INDIANS" can be explained by some anthropological studies conducted by one Helen Blavatsky. She explains how the Europeans could have easily confused themselves, because not only do the Native Americans look like the Indians in the east, some of their traditional and religious behaviour stems from a very Eastern Link. That story is a story which goes back to a long long time ago, when the continents were not divided by the seas and they existed as one land mass.

I'll post the name of the book which explains it all, once I find it in my brother's library. Makes very interesting reading.

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Mrs. Micawber,

I'm curious as to the type of foods that are grown in England but namely Scotland. You see, I live in California and there is a lot of fresh produce year round for me to munch on. In fact, my house is surrounded by as Katelyn says, "strawberries on steroids." They are big and tasty.

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[This message was edited by Ladon on 10-10-04 at 05:55 AM.]

What do we grow here?
Not much of any interest apart from whisky. What else do you want anyway?

Mrs Micawber, you better get in on this one. I can only think of potatoes and turnips, sheep and cows!

Get Curious!

Strawberries, raspberries, blackcurrents, brambles (like a blackcurrent - grows wild delicious).
Those which Asa states - including the very popular Ayrshire Tatties (potatoes) which gain their taste from seaweed, which the farmers used to (less so now) spread on the rows of growing potatoes - there's not another tattie tastes like in the world!
Carrots; turnips; leeks; apples; plums; pears; peas etc. etc. etc.
Our crops of fruit depend largely on whether we get enough rain/sunshine combination.

We grow lovely looking men, however! Whisky or Scotch as you Americans etc., call it (which I hate) because we have excellent barley, and water - lakes full of the stuff.

Ladon - you would eat well - every known veg is here, beef, lamb etc. (I'm veggi - so I don't touch that stuff).
Hope this helps.

Oh and Ladon and anyone else who is interested.

This is the map of the United Kingdom - England is the bottom half and Scotland is the top half.
Ireland is to the left. But, I know that most Americans refer to this island, overall as England (argggh) - there is a big difference to us, believe me. And, Mrs. Micawber resides south of Glasgow! A little side note, which I hope clairfies how some Scots feel when being mistaken for English - recently, when I was on vacation in the States, I was asked what part of "England" I came from. When I replied that I came from Scotland and not England, I further added; "and what part of Canada do you come from?" The guy just laughed "point taken" he said. Nothing serious I just thought I'd add this for a wee laugh....

~~~~Littera scripta manet~~~ the written word remains. (the saying continues; The weak word perishes)

[This message was edited by Mrs. Micawber on 10-11-04 at 02:23 PM.]

A bit of info. I dug up on Scottish agriculture, sorry it’s just the links, but I’m running a bit late.
Scotland’s Agricultural Regions
Scottish Agriculture – Output, Input and Income Statistics
And
a wee
sample
of
Scotland’s
finest
crop!!!

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originally posted by Ananya:
I'll post the name of the book which explains it all, once I find it in my brother's library. Makes very interesting reading.

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I found it.

The book is First Principles of Theosophy by C. Jinarajadasa. Please read the chapter 2 - The Rise and Fall of Civilisations.

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-- C. Jinarajadasa, from First Principles of Theosophy

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I love this thread.
I like travelogues, and I like the friendly chats here – no stormy stuff, y'all are warm and sunny .

To Mrs. M, Asa, Alice… and anyone that can answer:
I recall reading about the Scottish New Year (Hogmanay) in a thread posted by Rhon831 – New Year's Celebrations around the World - apart from that, what are your local, most celebrated festivals?

What are YOUR fave tourist spots? I know I can go and google out the tourist spots in Scotland but I don't want that – I believe the commercial hallmarks of any place might not be the REAL reflection on its essence and culture. I for one know I'd recommend anyone wishing to know about India tons more than just visiting the Taj Mahal. So, which places showcase the REAL Scotland? They don't even have to be "tourist spots", they can be obscure places as well (in fact, I'm more interested in them).
After English, which is the most common language?
What birds and foliage do I expect to wake up to on my first morning in Scotland? Which are the most common household birds and plants?
What are you people crazy about? [A fave sport, for ex?]
Are y'all muchly interested in Hollywood movies too?
At what age do the kids settle in their own homes? After college/fulltime work, during that or before college?
In most cultures there's one or two sects that usually are the butt of jokes… who's Scotland's?

That's all for NOW ... Alice and Mrs. M., do we get a look at atleast the excerpts from your novels?
That is all for now, my above question wasn't about Scotland - wait, one more: - what's today's weather in Scotland ?

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[This message was edited by LetswriteNshare on 10-17-04 at 12:41 PM.]

haha good questions LWAS - well last shall be first......
Here in the south-west of Scotland today it is cold and dull, cloud overcast, no wind to speak of (this is unusual) but cold enough, this early on in the winter, to have the heating on. The world's weather is most definintely changing. I can normally get away with not putting my heating on until November, but it has been off and on now for several weeks.
There is an overnight ground frost these days and the lawn is quite crispy in the mornings - again, not usually until November. Streets and yards all around, covered in red, yellow, brown, orange leaves - very nice to walk in it kind of mulches and squishes under the feet when the feet are taking the dogs for their walk!

Dark at around 7pm now soon it will be dark around 3.30. 4pm!

Anyway, I'll get back to you on the festivals etc, a bit busy right now. Very many scenic places, cottages, castles, famous peoples' homes, as Scotland is (as I'm sure you know) the birthplace of many designers, architects, poets, visionaries, literary figures i.e. Sir Walter Scott (Edinburgh) R.L. Stevenson - I know his family, his great great grandson lives in R.L. Stevenson's house in Edinburgh to this day, I even know where he got the inspiration for "Treasure Island" all will be revealed in the fullness of time.

Back to my housework, though catch you later!

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