(Doon, you've never been one of the offensive dirty debate players here like some of us are and don't deserve the rudeness you've copped! This is your place too. I respect how hard it is to master a second language and don't think you should be driven away. The high ideals of Quoteland extend to common respect as well, but even fewer here are reprimanded for that. I am of course, but others aren't. Don't be driven away!)



How far you go in life depends on
your being tender with the young,
compassionate with the aged,
sympathetic with the striving and
tolerant of the weak and strong.
Because someday in your life
you will have been all of these.

George Washington Carver

" You stepped out of bounds in my mind."

Oh my, what have we here? Oh, it's just another of those I can do what you can't do moments in Q'land's head-long plunge into the hard ground of none-participation and non-membership.


C'mon, Trish - you ought to know by now that that's what Ananya was imposed on Q'land to do. I still ain't got a clue (beyond seeing the bleedin' obvious, of course) who banned me. Now, if I'd a' been Matty and called Bumble-brain a slapper it'd have been ok - esp. since Max and Bumble had confirmed the fact.
Luckily for moi, the rules of the site were broken by the person who dares to suggest that it was ME who'd stepped out of line!

Now, Obama.
I've been in London for a couple o' days (Kodo concert: fantastic). Luckily for moi (again), Her Royal Highness, The Queen of the USA, chose Monday to use the Royal 'Plane to have a private tour of London, not Sunday. More or less closed London off, she did. She went to Westminster Abbey, so the place was damn near closed to the mere mortals who'd queued to get in there. Luckily for the British and US taxpayers who will have to stump up the readies to pay for this show of bloody arrogance (imagine, if you can, what gall and bloody ****-you-ness it takes to just decide, on the spur of the moment, to close London, just 'cause she's married to O'Barmy - who was in France, not England, to promote himself, on the backs of the REAL men and women who fought to free Europe from an aggressor), she's now grown enough frigging lettuces and parsnips, on the White House lawns, to raise the funds to pay for what appears such brazen ****ing arrogance.

Meanwhile, Obama continues to do precisely what he always condemned Bush for: everything.
Still, he is black, so that's ok.
Hypocrisy: That's what it takes to pretend to be one thing, when you are no such thing - like a capitalist dressed up as a tree-hugging, climate-changing, L'Oreal and Revlon-loving advertorialist (Advertorialist?? har de har! substitute McDonald's or BP for L'oreal or Revlon, then tell me - or anyone else with a brain - that there's a difference). THAT is self-denial at its absolute peak.
Oh, to be so blind to one's own hypocrisy.


Now, breathe (ahhh!) deeply.
Imagine that you are lying on a beach, in a country where you aren't really making obscene amount of money on the backs of poor idiots who can't resist the lure of cosmetics. Breathe slowly (easily) and visualise all that cold, hard dosh in the bank - the same bank that has helped to destroy the lives of so many others, all over the world.
Now, you are on a 'plane journey. The huge engines spew carbon-monoxide over all the trees, but you are safe and warm; you are headed into the clear(ish) blue skies of a world where your flight has cost more than an average village in, say India or Sri Lanka, makes in, say, a couple of years... .
Now.... breathe deeeeeply! And lie.

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Emerald Eyes, Afenton...

In my land, where we speak English, borrowed from the English, PRICK is an obscene word. When you attach condescending to it, it becomes even more ugly.

Check rule no. 1 & 4.

I did not remove your post, just altered it a bit and left a note for EE.

In what way have I imposed? Please do enlighten me about this terrible transgression I did against you.

Also, I have not seen Fuzzies using obscene language anywhere, at least not that which I call obscene English and never since I became a moderator. If he does, I am sure to tell him the same thing that I told EE. If he has used any such language before I became a mod, I am not responsible for that.

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As for all your rant about me, I will continue to let you rant, without saying a word against you. I have realised in life, that SILENCE is indeed golden. I like your rant actually, it allows me to deeply understand all the things that I have to improve upon.

I will also let both your posts (though they are not about Obama) uptil now, stay on the boards... But after this, any post that is not about Obama, will get deleted. Stay on topic guys... and if you want to write angst-ridden literature on me, use facebook (notes). You'll get more exposure. that way you can tell all my friends what a supercilious b**** I am.

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If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is a part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
-- Herman Hesse, from Siddhartha

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much love, light and laughter,
ananya.

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Obama continues to do precisely what he always condemned Bush for: everything. Still, he is black, so that's ok. Hypocrisy: That's what it takes to pretend to be one thing, when you are no such thing - like a capitalist dressed up as a tree-hugging, climate-changing, L'Oreal and Revlon-loving advertorialist (Advertorialist?? har de har! substitute McDonald's or BP for L'oreal or Revlon, then tell me - or anyone else with a brain - that there's a difference). THAT is self-denial at its absolute peak.
Oh, to be so blind to one's own hypocrisy.

Dude, could it be possible that Mr.Obama will have to play ball being the President? I think it's a hypocrisy to believe that one can change everything. What are you? An Idealist? Of course not, you are a realist right (the real realist dressing up like a realist talking about the real real real World of the realist and the Idealist)? Should a capitalist only dress up like a capitalist (wearing Timex and crap for image)? So hug trees a little, climate chainging a little, lie a little, act a little, do Lo'Oreal a little ... while making some changes on the way. After all he doesn't exactly follow every step of Bush. What was book of the 12 most difficult decisions Bush had to make called again? Was it 0-12 or 1-11?

P.S: I haven't confirmed anything. I can't be responsible for the way you see things. I could be out with Matty and say the same thing.

"I... just altered it a bit and left a note for EE. In what way have I imposed?"
Say no more!
Maybe I should alter your posts, then claim it wasn't an imposition because, in my mind, you were out of order.

Despite re-reading your post, Max, I am not much wiser as to what it is you've tried to say.
Are you suggesting that Obama didn't realise that he'd have to renege on his promises to close Guantanamo/save the world/stop missile attacks inside Pakistan/make peace with Iran/bring Israel and the Muslim world closer/close the divide between the rich and the poor in America/bankrupt the US (oops, that was a mistake) (insert various other 'promises')?
It shouldn't be only Conservatives, realists and village idiots that are able to recognise Obama's 'promises' as nothing more than deplorable lies. How many times were the left warned that Obama's pre-election pledges were impossible to follow up on? How many times was the question "what do you actually expect Obama to change" asked on here? And how many answers were given? That's right: many times; many times; none.
Yep, I'm a realist, and as such, I'm able to recognise bullshit when it's thrown up, whether on here, by the same old fakes, or in the run-up to a general election in the US or Britain.

p.s. You had sex with Matty, too?

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At the risk of staying on subject I would like to post a poem that I wrote.
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We shall eat bacon with our eggs and sausage with our biscuits

And remember to give thanks for all the ham that’s in our gravy.

We shall have pork chops at noon that are served with our potatoes

And give thanks to Obama for all the pork that’s in our barrels.

We shall have pork for our supper that is served on silver platters

And give thanks to the rise of the New York Stock Exchange.

Pork bellies and pork barrels are what make the world get round--

Pork for breakfast, pork at noon and pork after the sun goes down!

I can see that I'm going to have to copy all my posts again, since they have begun again to disappear! Anyway, the last one pointed out that the selectivity with which Ananya crops posts seemed (sorry, was) one-sided. Something along the lines of "Max had broken Ananya's new rules - non-consitutional rules, of course - about having to stick absolutely to the topic, even though this is general 'knowledge', and therefore not a forum known for sticking to the thread title, yet his post wasn't touched, and doesn't that make an infringement of the existing rules? (He says, knowing that it is).
Now, the question I asked was: "Is this new non-constitutional rule applicable to all members or not? I will, of course, expect an answer, since what has gone on so far is both non-constitutional and against the forum rules - Ananya's behaviour, that is.
If this new rule is to be applied, I will, of course, be watching for lapses on the part of the so-called moderators.

A simple answer (here, not in your silly little private topic; I have no intention of discussing changes to the oft-quoted constitution in private, when it should, of course, be discussed in the open) will suffice, then I can get back to talking about Obama's failings!
So, is this new rule permanent; is it to be applied consistently and without exception; and will it be added in the rules at the top of the page?

Thanks.


Copied.

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One thing I love about a realist is that when I borrow some money from him, he doesn't expect it back

Afenton my dear. There is no need to say this but I will say it anyway, I don't have much interest or as knowledgeable as you are in this topic. Kind of like the little knowledge of your Govenment Party using some tax money to buy some porn or fixing a private pool (nice). If I want to know what has Obama accomplished, I will have to do some research ... probably on google. So I need to ask you this ... is that good enough for you? I will try (& crap) but I'll probably have to quote some bias a-hole one this one? Are you ok with it? If not then I am not going to bother. Personally speaking, I think you are a bit negative (to say the least) about his promises (yes, some are pending). You are saying like he is sitting arond playing pacman or KingKong all day. To be a good politician, you have to be a politician a bit (only a hypocrite would say otherwise). Could you be a politician? It's ok ... I'll answer the question for you, no, you can't. Just because you can't doesn't mean that you are better than everybody else (kind of like you probably can't be a porn star .... it doesn't make you better than them).

As I said, is it good enough for me too google sh1t up? Let me know dude, I am trying my best to have a decent conversation with you.

p.s I would stick to what Ananya asked to the best of my ability (if you only know about our differences ... Anaya & I go way back). I 'strayed' (in your term) because you made some assumptions about me and that was the reason why I chose to replied to you and 'strayed' (off topic).

My sincere apology, you can lock my ass up in Guantanomo if you want. Please don't compare me to you ... I am not that special.

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Assumptions? Bloody sauce! You think I'm the only one to put the two and two (or one plus one) together that you chucked in, then make four?? Cheek.

It ain't about Googling some sort of opinion, Max; what it should be about - and I've brought this up before - is at least attempting to obtain enough information, from as many perspectives as possible, to come to some sort of overall view. It's no frigging good just logging on to www.iwannabealiberal.com and then quoting from that. Or don't you agree, Max? Do you believe that one should just pretend to be something - like Obama or Ananya, for instance - then just attempt to tick the 'right' boxes?

Oh, and cut out the pathetic crap about my suggesting that I'm special: I believe no such thing. See, that's another blunt old instrument, Max: "Oh, I's so sorry I's not as clever as what you is, massa! I's tryin' de best I can." Pathetic; and it's been done to death, so leave it out. Another old chestnut used to distract is the "You abused a comma" nonsense. Water off a duck's *******; and more often not, used by those whose English is even worse. But I'm not playing that game. Also on this subject (this being general discussion, and this being all rather relevant, in a round about way: new rules? give over) suddenly it's not right to say that one has struggled to understand Doon? Many times I've been unable to make out what it was she'd tried to say, but saying so doesn't make it a personal attack. I can't speak Doon's first language, and she struggles with English - so what?
What it should be about, especially with something as important as politics in a democracy, is at least gaining a decent overall view. Naturally, you disagree, like the masses who think that using a vote wisely means voting for the party that promises the voting individual the best deal. Hence Obama's popularity. And there's no worse set of voters for this than so-called Socialists/Liberals: "You'll give me what? Oh, ok."

Oh, and is Obama playing Pacman? No, he's too busy promoting himself and his wife, and saving the world, and assholing with Sarkozy (there are no two bigger egotists). I'll ask you what I've asked on here more than once, Max: What do you see Obama accomplishing, either on the international scene or in the US. Please reply, since no-one else seems able to offer anything other than he's black, and he's made loads of promises that he's back-tracking on.


Could I be a politician? No, I'm too blunt.

Please don't compare me to you: I'm not selfish enough. Also, I don't think that "casual sex" while in a marriage is something to brag about - which is how this all came about. By all means, let's have a general discussion about it!

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Right click.... select all, Right click...select all.

This is rather tiresome with all the censoring editing going on.

As the author of this thread, I'm getting tired of the off-topic comments, the latest from a former QL moderator. Quit the snarkiness, please, Songbird. Contribute with some weight to your posts.

Aeras,

Thought I'll talk about my stance on the nationalisation bit. I just came back from Goa, where I'd gone to wish my friend's adopted daughter a very very happy first birthday. In the invitees were a whole lot of people who stayed in the USA and were down on holiday in India. My friend's brother is a citizen there, while one of my very close college friends has been working in the banking industry in NYC for the past 4 years.

Both of them told me some stuff, that made the nationalisation scheme from your end - bleaker and bleaker for the common man in USA.

My friend (SOPHIE) who works for HSBC in NYC, told me that investing money in the banks in USA gives very poor returns, and whatever you get is heavily taxed.

Frankly, I'd been debating for nationalisation of banks and corporations, because we have a totally different scenario here in India. Sophie said that if I invest money in a fixed deposit in a US bank, one gets about 1% interest rate on the money invested which is further taxed. In India our interest rates are extremely high, both on investments made as well as loans taken. For a fixed deposit I will get 9% of total money invested as interest per annum, which is totally tax free. Most loans that are made out, are thoroughly checked. Loans are given out only if the bank has verified that the loan taker is capable of paying back the loan. Most Indians will prefer paying on purchases by cash than by credit.

Sophie said, that because our govt. had such strict rules on personal loans and investments, we could ride the present recession crisis in a much more planned and cautious manner, than most other countries.

Nationalisation in India is the best (not fantastic though), because it means all the money that we have in nationalised banks is thoroughly safe. The National banks here are regularised by the Reserve Bank of India, because of which banks are made to pay each and every paisa (penny/cent in Indian terms) back to the investor/depositor in case these banks declare bankruptcy.

That is why you will find that most Indians if not all, will have their moneys divided into two three banks, out of which one would be a private bank (which had better customer service) and the others - anationalised one. For us our money is safe, when it is with the govt. It is not safe when it is with the private bank. This is a part of our constitution.

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I'd like to know your views on why you think Nationalisation will not work in the USA, before I argue this more. Thanks.

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Humankind has become so much one family that we cannot insure our own prosperity except by insuring that of everyone else. If you wish to be happy yourself, you must resign yourself to seeing others also happy.
-- Bertrand Russell.

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much love, light and laughter,
ananya.

I see all the little children are still chipping away at each other. Play nice, people.

the link below suggest that some occupations are thriving due to Obama's stimulus package.

http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/caree..._s_stimulus_plan-900

My job falls into the category of cost estimator but I have been working in my position for years before Obama was elected. Almost all the work that I have done in 2009 is funded or backed by stimulus spending. I realize that it is not possible for a country to borrow its way out of debt. I have managed my personal affairs for a worst case scenario outcome. When push comes to shove I can probably support myslef from the land that my wife and I own.

Here is a link to an interview with David Stockman by Bill Moyers, a very respected 'liberal' American Journalist.

Mr. Stockman was part of the Reagan Administration in the 1980's. The video explains how there was no 'change" with the Obama Administration except possibly for the worse. It also talks about the dangers of Obama's inexperience.

What is significant about this is Bill Moyers is very well known in America for exceptionally good, and honest, journalism. It is a good piece.

Crony Capitalism