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Originally posted by iron_scimitars:
I know, I know. People will always be mad at other people for their beliefs and ideas and whatnot. But debating always seems to bring out the worst in people. So, do away with it. All DF does is mix and muddle the info we have already.

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Excuse me, but but it is not debate forum that mixes and muddles, its people's attitudes. Kindly do not try to find a scapegoat for man's intrinsic incapacities.

TN,

Its not the shutting or phasing out of DF that spells the doom for Quoteland, as far as I am concerned. Its what Quoteland seems to be standing for in the matter of its accepted values - Quoteland's refusal to allow freedom of expression because that expression does not adhere to somebody else's Conservative thought process.

Because sooner or later this refusal will ultimately reflect across all forums. One cannot restrict what one thinks to be his/her opposition just because they do not know how to deal with it. just because they want things to go like they want them to go and have peace for themselves.

Will meaningful postings on FavQ, happy discussions on Lit Forum, and personal jottings on WC really have meaning, when every member has to watch out what they say, especially when they know the underlying Conservative Threat?

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Though Caleb has been a friend, and will always be a friend to me for different reasons than this debate debacle, I expressely want to say that, I regret ever requesting Twister personally to not leave this site yesterday. I should not have asked him to do it, not in the face of such abject hatred. I did not know yesterday that matters would come to this.

However whiny TheTableist feels Twister is, I do not thing it is right on his part to degrade any human being in the manner that he has Twister. As Harriet Woods once said, "You can stand tall without standing on someone. You can be a victor without having victims."

One doesn't have to shove the fist in their opponents face, every time s/he takes a stand against one's accepted opinions. If one feels that the opponent is wrong, there are more civil ways to make that clear to them. Luvleetasha makes an exemplary example here. She is as rightwing as TheTableist or Wichitaman would be, and she sticks to her gun no matter what. Not that I admire her republican stance, but I sure do admire the way she handles it all.

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On a completely different note... Caleb, what is it that hurts you so much? And don't say no... there is something. I'll repeat what I quoted once in the debate forum from Neale Donald Walsch's book CONVERSTAIONS WITH GOD - Part II

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All ATTACK IS A CALL FOR HELP

No one truly desires to hurt another. Those who do it, do it out of a misplaced idea that it is the only way to get something they want.

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So Twister and all, look around for the reasons, of the attack and maybe there is something for each of us to learn out of it. Twister, you said in the F-9/11 debate that Society needs to take baby steps in changing I guess it could be applied to debacles in debate forum on Quoteland too. When a conservative attacks a liberal it is not he who attacks them, it is their own innate insecurities, towards their own perception of the way they have been viewing their world for so many years.

Unfortunately if the liberals would start taking baby steps towards the conservatives, our world as it is, would be destroyed in the next 50 years. But the way things are going I do think, we need to take baby steps, with them... else there is bound to be some kind of a conflagration that will roast the innocents too.

On that note,

I quote from David's post on Quoteland Censorship

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Please remember it isn't just the words that you use but how you use them.

RESPECT.

Respect is the core of Quoteland, and what the moderators are doing is making sure that everyone is respectful. They have no intention of suppressing any kind of speech. Even "dirty" speech, or "violent" speech. Everyone here can handle it. If they err, they would prefer to err on the side of caution.

And so should you.

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What do I mean by respect? Let me give a few examples. Respect encompasses, but is not limited to, the things cited here.

RESPECT FOR PEERS: Personal attacks are completely inappropriate.

RESPECT FOR RACE: Slander about people different from you on the most superficial level is absolutely unacceptable.

RESPECT FOR CREED: Though you do not have to agree, you must tolerate any and all viewpoints about behavior and action if they are posed respectfully.

RESPECT FOR PREFERENCE: I don't care how much you don't like what someone else does - you must tolerate it.

RESPECT FOR OTHERS' PEACE: Some things in life are, at the very core, really disgusting. And sometimes we want to talk about them anyway. If we want to talk about them to upset people, we are not respecting and the post is inappropriate. If we want to talk about them because they are a part of life, there is a way to do it: Warn readers both in your subject line and in the text that it is really graphic and disgusting. And if the moderators decide that your intentions were not all in a light of RESPECT, they may, at their sole discretion, do whatever they are motivated to do about it.

RESPECT FOR EVERYTHING: We are all different people with vastly different views, life experiences, emotions, and attitudes about pretty much everything. We cannot all agree on these things, nor can we ignore them. If we avoid anything potentially offensive, this site loses most of its depth. We must, then, agree to disagree, and endeavor to find ways to communicate things that may upset other people in a way that they can live with.

COMPROMISE: And, if it's something that might offend you, YOU must remember that out of RESPECT for a differing perspective, YOU must keep your own reaction in check. Although some people do intend disrespect, most "offense" is on the end of the offended person. Remember, you might have something "controversial," "graphic," "sensitive," "explicit," or "offensive" to say at some point, and you don't want to be shot down for doing it.

Endeavor to understand one another and the intentions of our fellow man. Never disclaim your speech or words, and never speak to disrespect. Conduct yourself with honor and integrity.

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"The attempt to silence a man is the greatest honor you can bestow on him. It means
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much love, light and laughter,
ananya.
(aka mumbaichi porgi)

*~Come play with my children feel the peace and Scatter some joy.~*
~*Blowing out someone else's candle doesn't make your's burn any brighter.*~
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Thenostromo;
Here’s the *well-deserved* appreciation we talked about in another thread yest. ( )… thank you for being flexible and taking note of what some of the very worthy members (esp. referring to pixiedear’s nice post) here said. I am glad the debate forum is quasi-open for now (just no new topics… but that’s much better than read-only).

Ladon: Your balanced and polite (latter) input actually surprised me .

Fuzzies: Why are you leaving now… maybe the forum would be up and running fully again ??? I really do hope you’re gonna stay, you’re the spark of QL.

I do not participate in debates that often nor do I read DF all that frequently but it always has been fun, whether it’s a debate about coke and pepsi or about legalization of gay marriage or cryogenics or Fahrenheit 9/11 (though I think I missed the notorious posts by Twister and Thetableist ???? I am not even *totally* sure what all happened..)… I am glad the forum’s gonna stay and stimulate.

& I agree to KO… those that do not like it can restrict themselves to the other forums.

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I will never leave this site if I didn't get force to ~Knockout

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KO, now there’s something we have in common, yay!

I do hope this would encourage us to handle our forum and ourselves with care. Getting rid of a forum that didn’t suit QL’s interests and aims [Love letter forum] was fine, but if a scholastic forum like DF is gonna closed just b/c of the way we mishandle it that is a bad reflection on us.

~There is no duty more obligatory than the repayment of kindness.~
-Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

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Originally posted by Ananya:
On a completely different note... Caleb, what is it that hurts you so much?

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Quite simple to answer. The days long gone of surgeon, retardo, me, emerald, you, rhon and so on in df taught me some invaluable things. Among those things, I learned what it is that retardo finds so despisable in certain arguments and ideas. Until recently, it was only conservatives guilty of that particular crime on quoteland (which was VERY frustrating for a fellow conservative). But, being partisan, I don't point them out. I am pretty sure you know who they are.

Then along comes this new crop of liberals, and they are doing the same thing the conservative ones were doing.

They are shills. They are parrots. They regurgitate what the news tells them to. They reiterate what Michael Moore instructs them to. They are under a thumb and are unable to see it. They need the SAME wake-up call that retardo gave me.

Why do you think it is I always speak favorably of retardo in recent times? It's because he gave me what I hope I just gave Twister, painful though it was.

He gave me independence. It's so difficult to relate to someone how this works, but you seriously actually DON'T have to agree with someone's particular opinions to agree with their philosophy ABOUT opinions. In this way, retardo is my model of an independent thinker.

Painfully, humiliatingly, I took over two years to come around. Not only to admit I was being a parrot, but to stop doing it.

But then, along comes Twister. His double standards seem utterly blatant to me, but seem to pass unnoticed by anyone else. I don't see how anyone could read that thread about economic collapse and not recognize the glaring difference between your assessment and his. It's maddening.

I don't think I ought to be required to be nice. Personal attacks are part and parcel to the type of debate that is the ONLY type of debate possible on a message board that does not limit the subject matter to a specific field of interest.

Look back on some of retardo's debate replies. To make them innocuous is to take away their power and impact. I don't buy into this mutual respect crap. I don't respect everyone. Some I despise. Almost everyone is the same way. In the debate forum, it should be permitted. As I said in the huge WP thread, the only real violation should be when someone takes it off the DF and onto another board.

So what is it that bugs me about Twister? He's me from 2 years ago. That's why it hurts that bad. I know him. I see it as clear as day and he can't, he WON'T recognize it in himself unless someone MAKES him. And this type of thinking IS a result of western culture. The shallow, surface, regurgitated opinion is the way a vast number of people think. Sound byte opinions. Formed, held, and discarded in so many moments, only to be picked up again when convenient. These aren't principles, they aren't ideals, they aren't beliefs. They're an accessory, like a nose ring or bell bottom pants or some other flash in the pan hollywood hipster trend. It's infuriating.

If the liberal leadership in America were more like you ananya, and more like retardo, and less like twister and michael moore, then southern conservative family men wouldn't be terrified of you. Because people with convictions aren't terrifying at all. People with a sense of social responsibility and a GENUINE interest in the betterment of mankind aren't terrifying.

As frightening as you find a right-wing nut job, I find a left-wing nut job. But just as you don't think every conservative is some crazy, I don't think every liberal is. There are liberals and there are lefties. I think most people at quoteland know the difference.

Well I'm rambling and have lost my point.

Anyway, damn the man, save the Empire.

I'll try to post longer later but, TheTableist, I don't think you're quite being fair to Twister.

How many hard-leftist Christians do you know in America?

My guess is not many. I certainly don't, though I know they were common 50 years ago.

Instantly, *right there* Twister cannot be the stereotype you paint -- his religious beliefs forbid it.

I appreciate your kind words to me, I do. But if you can assume I argue in good faith, why can't you assume the same of him? Is Michael Moore your litmus test?

Moore engages in sloppy arguments and half-truths, certainly (though not a cintilla as much as he's accused), but consider this fact: your side has had this sortt of thing for years with Limbaugh and Faux News and so on and it was *very* hard for us to take. We had no one; nothing. Now we do. At the very least, can you appreciate the resetnment we had; can you also appreciate that we had this coming for so long that we are bound, at least for a while, to embrace it maybe a bit too fondly? Let it blow over. Though Moore hardly compensates, there is beginning to be a "balance of power", and maybe this will prove to be a more welcoming milieu in which to attempt to argue objectively.

I only go into all that to perhaps help you see Twister's viewpoint.

Also bear in mind that by world standards of democracy, the American conservatism you believe in is FAR Right. I'm not insulting you by saying that, either. What I mean is that in Twister's country, and in most of the rest of the democratised world, their conservatives are slightly to the LEFT of Bill Clinton. Do you see where this puts you on their spectrum? I'm trying to get you to see your own politics from an internationalist point of view -- not with an aim of changing you, but to show you where other people are coming from.

My Crap
http://elementropy.blogspot.com/

Basically just what I wrote in the group emails – the debate posts seemingly were deleted before I chanced to read them so I cannot make informed judgements.
Thetableist you sparked the Lit. forum while you were there & I hope you’d continue as a member. I am honest when I say that the choice of the latest appointed moderators had comforted me , you being one of them… and you did not disappoint me, I am just sorry things turned out this way. I am not sure whether your stand is correct or not, but I like people who think and have opinions, so you have my respect for that .
Regarding the rest of the stuff… actually my guess regarding the mod. Twister talked about in the Suggestion Box thread of his regarding request for deletion of his username, was incorrect . Just a clue to my cluelessness. Whatever the issues are, I hope any wrinkles are eased… if we care for Ql enough, they can be. *If* and when we care.

~There is no duty more obligatory than the repayment of kindness.~
-Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

I did not know that at all. I was under the impression that Australia, Great Britain and Spain had essentially the same right wing that we have in the States, maybe a few other countries as well.

Maybe Moore is my litmus test. Maybe he shouldn't be. That point about Limbaugh struck me good and no, never thought of it. I don't listen to or watch Rush, even though I do listen to and watch OReilly and Chris Matthews. Oddly, I also listen to and watch Moore. I guess Limbaugh is a little too personally embarrassing for me. So that statement struck home.

I guess the main reason I don't consider twister as arguing in good faith is because of our ongoing argument about generalizations. I took it very personally when he began his indignation campaign about generalizations, all the while expressing deeply held generalizations of his own. Assuming because I am conservative that I should be some suit-wearing, cigar-smoking, corporate bastard. I hate corporate bastards. In many ways, I am very atypical of conservatives. I hate to be a broken record on my record, but I am the conservative opposed to the death penalty. I am the conservative who thinks prisons are too harsh already. I am the conservative who is opposed to the patriot act, who is with the liberals on the issue of Abu Ghraib, who always had a soft spot for Nader. I'm the conservative who believes multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporate monstrositys are one of the most dangerous threats the world faces today. I'm the conservative who believes that freedom of the press is a vital check on the power of the government. In many ways I hold libertarian and 'liberal' views. But I am mostly a conservative. And yet Twister discards all of that and thinks that I am not permitted to say "homey" because us old white cigar-smoking corporate conservatives can't use hip young lingo. It's not only infuriating, it becomes hypocrisy when it is used in the same post where he is decrying generalizations.

Also, whether or not one agrees with the content, it was a base and blatantly divisive move to post his foxnews topic in the general discussion forum. It was reminiscent of another poster from long ago. It was baiting pure and simple, and should have been on the debate forum.

Anyway, I do see your point about internationalist point of view on the U.S. right wing now, but I am far from typical right-winger. I suppose I must now consider the possiblity that twister is far from typical left-wing.

LWAS,
Until you said something just now I didn't even know about that suggestion box thread. Suffice it to say I see a very different version of events than has been related by Twister. If he seeks permission to post the entire private topic, he may consider it granted. In any case, nuts to that. Like I said several times, I don't intend to be nice all the time in the DF, and don't think we should have to be. False respect is worthless. Thanks for the comments about Lit btw. Truthfully, I would have had to quit anyway. For a good two-ish weeks recently I didn't come to quoteland at all due to work, and I am pretty sure moderators ought to show up now and then.

Through-out QL history, their are always personalities that clash.

With so many intellects at different ages plus different political views etc, is it any wonder these divides take place?

I think ridding of the DF for these reasons is cynical at best.

If it goes, I will have no reason to return here. Smashing Godly views into the ground was a factor in my self-esteem. T'was the plasma in my blood, the retina in my eye.... the heart in my chest.

It will be the end of an era. Quoteland will have had a stroke, never again being the same, missing a lot of what it used to be.

I've been taking a break from quoteland, but to come back hoping I'll see things in a new light, and then find THIS post.. I loved the debate forum, and though I almost never post to it, I read everything that goes on. I was holding out on officially leaving because I was hoping I'd be prompted by something horrible happening and having the chance to leave with a bang-sorry kids. This does it for me.

Pity? Not quite.

Lots of love,

Lex <3

pookiecat85@hotmail.com

http://www.livejournal.com/~never_too_loud

Don't think I don't understand the goodbye's and I'm gone's.
In my time on Quoteland I must have said goodbye 3 or 4 times (or more), resigned as moderator countless times that David would not accept, and as moderator I even banned myself on at least two occasions.
I am always open to suggestions, as are all the moderators. If anyone has a concise thought about how things around here could be just perfect, by all means share these thoughts.
For me, I make an effort to think of and remember a few things when I'm trying to make a decision. I confess I do ponder "how would David have handled this?" I frequently give advice along the lines of "take the high road," so I remember that. I am getting pretty good at remembering "restraint of pen and tongue." And, I have asked all moderators to conduct themselves with honesty, integrity, and respect when participating on the forums.
In the past when someone said they were leaving Quoteland I would usually say "don't let the door hit you on the way out." Well, now that I am an administrator I will change that to simply saying "sorry to see you go."
Those of us that truly love this website, along with those people that just drop by to benefit from its resources, will manage to make a go of it somehow.
Quoteland: Love it or leave it??

"Look how you considers of us, and writes of us, and talks of us, and goes up wi’ your deputations to Secretaries o’ State ‘bout us, and how yo are awlus right, and how we are awlus wrong, and never had’n no reason in us sin ever we were born. Look how this ha’ growen an’ growen sir, bigger an’ bigger, broader an’ broader, harder an’ harder, fro year to year, fro generation unto generation. Who can look on’t sir, and fairly tell a man ‘tis not a muddle?"

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To be fair tn, most of the goodbyes posted have been conditional based on a DF closure. I think by reading the subject and going to the most recent post people may not have seen the change of heart. If the subject of this thread were changed there'd probably be fewer goodbyes.

It seems to me, TN, that you're basically saying...

"Good riddance to those that leave this site because of the closure of DF, as you obviously don't love QL or you would make a go of it"

Correct? Or are my interpretations wrong?

I'm trying not to sound insulting here, TN, but as an administrator, you have been making very inconsistent remarks to the community as a whole these past days. One second you're sympathetic TN who wants the best for the QL community, the next you're Mr. Cynic with the red eyes. Do you even like being administrator, TN?

Those who have said they will leave are mainly those who contribute only to the DF. Take me, for example. Why would I come to a site (save the odd quote) where 95% of what I did has now been abolished? I visited this site so frequently at one stage in my life and visited the debate forum.

To me, Quoteland.com was a place where I could lock horns with a Christian. It was a place where I could state my opinions and people wouldn't be too polite to knock them down like you find in general day-to-day life. It was a place where I could read debate topics that I hadn't even THOUGHT of and read opinions that I never even HAD. Now, it will be gone. Quoteland.com will be a place where I can have a general discussion about my cats name or a thought-provoking topic on what haircuts are popular. I'm no poet, TN, I can't write like the rest of the members on this site. It's a place for them, not me. Not now.

I do love this site. I love it for teaching me so much. I can't learn from reading over literature forums which do nothing for my active mind, we all have different pursuits.

All good things come to an end.

Wow.

I have no idea what went on between Tableist and Twister. I have not ventured much into the debate forum in over a year - and when I did, I saw the same arguments and the same insults that were there a year ago.

There was a time when we DEBATED - not insulted - and handled opposing viewpoints with Respect. I took the opposite position of Tableist on many debates - and yet looked forward to them all the more once he jumped in.

Ditto my horn-locking with Euphorion and Ladon and Ananya and Retardo and Airedale and Skeg and all the others - and even more fun when we agreed - or at least agreed that another member was trying to dumb-down a debate.

I found on these boards intelligent, literate adversaries (for lack of a better word) whom I (eventually ) came to respect.

Then we were attacked on Sept. 11. At first, all members joined together in prayers for everyone else. And then, while wounds were raw, there were not only debates regarding the causes of the attacks, but also apologists for the attackers. And these debates did not heal, but frayed the membership.

And then the name calling started - and nastiness between members that I could not believe. I take the blame for much of that, because it seemed to worsen during my tenure. No matter what I tried - hands on, hands off, and pleas for help - the forum spiraled downward.

I had hoped that stepping down would have given the forum the opportunity to heal - and although Dav has been a magnificent moderator, I think the cancer had just spread too far.

I hope the forum doesn't close, and I hope that everyone looks through the archived debates to read disagreements that weren't insulting - to read TRUE debates that kept personalities out, and focussed on facts.

But if it does close, I will wish it a fond farewell, with gratitude for what it had given me (I never knew so much about cryogenics!), and my apologies to you all for my part in its demise.

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The one who is most definitely a leather-clad 25 year old dominatrix dashing to the computer to type posts on this site in between whipping young lads: Rhon

Thanks Fuzz!

I believe it's never to late to fix anything or even start something over again even though we can never have that clean slate. I don't want to say "we should face it and let's not runaway from it", because it would not be fair for I am only a member. But I think DB has a lot of greatness in it and I strongly believe we can manage it and control it. I know that I only know the surface of the problem but I very much believe in the greatness of Debate Forum. I know that the lack of knowledge on my part (about the real issue) may makes me looks like a fool but not matter what, I believe DB makes Quoteland better not worst.

This is my post #1976, the year I was born, so I will celebrate it with this new sign-off.


I LOVE DEBATE FORUM!

Fair enough

I think I agree that time and again the DF conflicts have overflowed and given in to personal grudges and everybody has suffered, but I still don't think that is a reason enough to close the DF.

What is really wrong is, that when two people debate, they should be able to keep it between themselves, on level restricted to the debate topic. If you are worldly enough to debate, you should be mature enough to understand what you are doing, what outcome it will bring. What I fail to understand is how a thing such as a debate can get so serious as to having an entire forum closed, members banned etc. I mean I am not asking everyone to *be nice* or any of that crap, all I am saying is that we should be able to draw a line. And even if we screw up, its never too late to make things right. I must have done it about 19938232 times (or thereabouts ) before and I always email / PT the person to make sure things are right.

Caleb, what I said in the email still stands. I appreciate the time you have given to QL as a member and as a moderator and since I cannot change things around here, I'll just ask you to review your decision of leaving QL. I myself have announced that one before but I just kept coming back.

Same stands for you guys too, Ladon (never spoke to that dude before) Matty and Chris.

Anywho, time for my electronic design automation lab. More VHDL for me, how fun

-h-


life's a waste of time, time is a waste of life so get wasted all the time and have the time of your life.

Just ban the right wingers.

"Neither do those that go with you. They go only because they would not part from thee - because they love thee" - LOTR J.R.R Tolkien

Wrong attitude. Banning is to the discretion of the site Admin.

It is our job as members to help facillitate intellectual progress. Banning people who hold differing idealogies is counter to our goal.

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Post-structuralism is like cotton candy: light, fluffy, and has no value whatsoever.

I think the administration of Quoteland are no-longer concerned with the standard of content on the site. I love QL for two reasons:

The people

The intellectual content

The current admin. ensure that people on QL are polite, but only via an almost complete removal of controversy and heatedness. Both are essential, interesting parts of an intellectual exchange.

Retardo said it best "content IS conduct".

I have reviewed my decision as followed: I stay on this site tentatively (I've little time to visit these days, unfortunately, anyway), and when I see the admin. inflict another mortal wound I leave.
Hopefully, instead, we'll see some moves to better QL actively by the admin sometime soon.

An overseer who simply watched their crew fall to pieces is going to lose their crew, after all.

My Blog: http://mrsmithsblatherings.blogspot.com/
My Site: http://www.freewebs.com/fuzziesareourfriends/guestbook.htm

I have a request for the admin.

I'd like it if they requested, TheTableist to be reinstated to his prior position as the Literature Forum Moderator. I think he was the best thing (after zuzzzies, of course) that had ever happened to the Lit Forum, he gave it direction. And he has shown that he has ideas that can only benefit the site.

But the bottom line is that the Literature Forum has got nothing to do with the Debate Forum. If he would have been the mod on the DF I would never have asked him to be reinstated, because his conduct does reflect on the forum users. But that would not be the case for the Lit Forum. He is a great writer and can help members who use that forum. His leadership there has been exemplary, and frankly the forum needs him.

The decision to accept of course lies with TheTableist, but now that the DF is open, I think it would be nice if the admin could request him to change his mind, about moderatorship.

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As an afterthought, I'm delighted that the DF is opened again. It would have been very painful to leave a site that I imagine to be my second home.

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An American seeker observed: "If you follow any way, you will never get there; and if you do not follow any way, you will never get there. So one faces a dilemma."
Hisamatsu: "Let that dilemma be your way!"

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much love, light and laughter,
ananya.

*~Come play with my children feel the peace and Scatter some joy.~*
~*Blowing out someone else's candle doesn't make your's burn any brighter.*~
*** Who put these fingerprints on my imagination? -- Elvis Costello ***

“Just ban the right wingers.” ~ Nike Janitor
Gosh Nike, I am glad the decision to ban members does not rest in your hands.

I have to agree with thenostromo on this one. I do not understand all these ciao’s here – I know the possible reasons like draining of members and quality etc. etc. but since the DF is going to be open, I do not think using DF-phasing-out as a reason is valid, that would be a scape-goat or an excuse. An insufficient one for those that wanted to leave “with a bang” and “hoping for something terrible happening”… oh, pity, nothing all that terrible has happened, the forum is surviving, and there are some remnant types that love QL. Fuzzies I am glad you reconsidered, I find your current decision reasonable. Some of the members leaving are dear to me and all of you matter, so I’d say sorry to see you go and wish you good luck in everything, and let you all know that anytime you change your decision I would be rather glad to see y'all back.

Rhon831, I found you to be an effective mod. on the boards & you kept many topics from straying, I do not think your apology is required/valid.

I persist, Thetableist handled lit. forum very well and more than policed it, he sparked it, I am not sure whether he should be reinstated b/c as I wrote I don’t know the whole thing that happened, but at the very least, I hope his title would be changed from “Senior Member” to “Moderator (Retd.)” to pay him the deserved distinction due to retired moderators.

~peace and hope~

~There is no duty more obligatory than the repayment of kindness.~
-Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC)

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