I would like to, non-objectively, point out several things. (Dav, I truly have nothing against you, but I must point out several things)
Firstly, due to the attidue enforcement you yourself upheld as far as TT went, Dav, I find your post rude, and filled with inntended attacks upon retardomontalban. In fact, it is my understanding that quoteland is not to permit that. Would this mean montalban is out of bounds too? Yes. However, you are the moderator and are expected to exercise greater control, and therefore should not be stooping to whatever level you feel other members are on.
You speak of how the member's let things get out of hand, but how can you say that?
As sentra said in a different thread
it was because of the attitude, bickering and plain mudslinging that finally took its toll. Almost two months ago new rules were set in place to turn this issue around. Nothing happened, in fact it may have become worse.
While this is all fine and dandy in its outward appearance, the problem directs itself to the moderators.
New rules were written, yes, but were they enforced effectively? It seemed (especially at the end) that selective enforcement was being used to moderate.
Also, if you cannot handle the heat some members give you, I would request that you step down from being a moderator. It is your job to enforce the rules (against foe and
friend), and if you cannot handle that responsibility, you should step down.
However, I cannot completely judge your competence as a moderator because I did not see enough of your posts in the DF (just the more recent ones, and super old ones when I participated on a few threads way back when).
You made a comment that members are not expected to pay for this site and should therefore be expected to take what handouts and rules the site would impose- regardless of how fair and or "right" those actions are.
Well, might I point out that no one is paying, nor enforcing you to be a moderator? If you feel that the members are letting the site go to hell, but you don't have to care is, as someone said earlier, a crock of shit.
It is the moderator and administrators duties (duties
) to run this site for the benefit of others. No one is required to be a mod or admin and if they cannot handle the responsibility of directing members in a more harmonious way, then they should step down, rather then stepping behind the scenes to let the storm blow by.
I will not let this storm blow by so you (you figuratively to include all enforcers) will be able to wait it out. And its not like you do your job alone. Sure there are 26000+ members, but I would venture to say that not even 2/3 of them participate regularly. Members who are more senior, or who have been here a while take some of your job away for you. I cannot count the times I have directed newbies to the proper course of action, nor can I count the times I have seen members such as LWNS, FUZZIES, THE TABLIEST, SANYA, D_W, CB, LOST_BUTTERFLY, AOWB-
who sadly doesn't come around much anymore but I do not blame her, LADON, TWISTER, KO, KATELYN
the list goes on and on and on. And while we can't edit or move posts, we many times make the job of the moderators just that, and only that. By the time insightful members have replied, the mods are far behind in comparison and is probably due to their smaller number.
You have no right to complain about the enforcement of policy.
And while I will admit to nothing more recently (because I did make more of an effort to calm myself), when I used to participate in a few specific debates, there should have been no other action that to discipline or enforce policy on my actions, but I remained untouched. But then again, if you'd have known I would have sided with TABLIEST, you would have kept a closer watch, eh? (that is a very unfair statement, and yet, even if it is hyperbole, it needed to be spoken).
The main animosity that exists, exists because of lack of enforcement of site rules, and the moderators own actions.
I cannot criticize all, or most mods, but there is a small collective few.
Yes, we should keep the debate forum AND REOPEN IT
. You remind me of a bunch of scared government officials. You fear what you don't understand or cannot control, and then if things get too out of hand, you simply nuke the porblem- problem solved right? WRONG!
The fallout from this action will spread to many members. Already you can see how its radiation is mutating once docile and humble members in angry beasts.
The saddest thing of all is, you, Dav, advocate other members seeing the truth that is was only the members who did such atrocious things, when you yourself cannot open your eyes to the seriousness of the part the moderators and admins played.
You can't build a faulty foundation for a building then blame all those who have visited that building for the reason of its collaspe. You can only blame the construction workers, the builders, the enforcers. And while some members may sabotage that foundation further, it crumbles because of the ill-mannered way it was created and run, not by the damage already added to a damaged base.
Consider that the next you think that its the members fault.
Note: I will be saving a copy of this post, so no one attempt to edit it. I will merely post it again, and your efforts will be in vain.
HAVE A NICE DAY!
Do you think all the time?
If not, your existence may be in