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Why Feminists Hate Sarah Palin

Left-wing feminists have a hard time dealing with strong, successful conservative women in politics such as Margaret Thatcher. Sarah Palin seems to have truly unhinged more than a few, eliciting a stream of vicious, often misogynist invective.

On Salon.com last week, Cintra Wilson branded her a "Christian Stepford Wife" and a "Republican blow-up doll." Wendy Doniger, religion professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, added on the Washington Post blog, "Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."

You'd think that, whether or not they agree with her politics, feminists would at least applaud Mrs. Palin as a living example of one of their core principles: a woman's right to have a career and a family. Yet some feminists unabashedly suggest that her decision to seek the vice presidency makes her a bad and selfish mother. Others argue that she is bad for working mothers because she's just too good at having it all.

In the Boston Globe on Friday, columnist Ellen Goodman frets that Mrs. Palin is a "supermom" whose supporters "think a woman can have it all as long as she can do it all . . . by herself." In fact, Sarah Palin is doing it with the help of her husband Todd, who is currently on leave from his job as an oil worker. But Ms. Goodman's problem is that "she doesn't need anything from anyone outside the family. She isn't lobbying for, say, maternity leave, equal pay, or universal pre-K."

This also galls Katherine Marsh, writing in the latest issue of The New Republic. Mrs. Palin admits to having "an incredible support system -- a husband with flexible jobs rather than a competing career . . . and a host of nearby grandparents, aunts, and uncles." Yet, Ms. Marsh charges, she does not endorse government policies to help less-advantaged working mothers -- for instance, by promoting day-care centers.

Mrs. Palin's marriage actually makes her a terrific role model. One of the best choices a woman can make if she wants a career and a family is to pick a partner who will be able to take on equal or primary responsibility for child-rearing. Our culture still harbors a lingering perception that such men are less than manly -- and who better to smash that stereotype than "First Dude" Todd Palin?

Nevertheless, when Sarah Palin offered a tribute to her husband in her Republican National Convention speech, New York Times columnist Judith Warner read this as a message that she is "subordinate to a great man." Perhaps the message was a brilliant reversal of the old saw that behind every man is a great woman: Here, the great woman is out in front and the great man provides the support. Isn't that real feminism?

Not to Ms. Marsh, who insists that feminism must demand support for women from the government. In this worldview, advocating more federal subsidies for institutional day care is pro-woman; advocating tax breaks or regulatory reform that would help home-based care providers -- preferred by most working parents -- is not. Trying to legislate away the gender gap in earnings (which no self-respecting economist today blames primarily on discrimination) is feminist. Expanding opportunities for part-time and flexible jobs is "the Republican Party line."

I disagree with Sarah Palin on a number of issues, including abortion rights. But when the feminist establishment treats not only pro-life feminism but small-government, individualist feminism as heresy, it writes off multitudes of women.

Of course, being a feminist role model is not part of the vice president's job description, and there are legitimate questions about Mrs. Palin's qualifications. And yet, like millions of American women -- and men -- I find her can-do feminism infinitely more liberated than the what-can-the-government-do-for-me brand espoused by the sisterhood.

Ms. Young, a contributing editor at Reason magazine, is author of "Ceasefire!: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces To Achieve True Equality" (Free Press, 1999).

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Here someone is using reverse psychology.
When people hate someone so much that eventually they start loving it.

So far I know that she lives very near Russia. (a joke)
Remember Hitler was elected too! and so did G. W. Bush. Razz
So it's not big thing to get elected. She has been elected too two times. Smile
But here she supposed to be helping to Mc Cain to get elected.
It not about her it's about Mc Cain.

So far she is:
NRA supporter
social conservative (no gay marriage)
Pro-life but gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby.
pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents.
She is NOT pro-labor or pro-union person.

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I've been to two foreign countries and speak Kitchen Spanglish. I'm qualified to lead as President of the United States.


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Isn't the point that she's not running for president? People bring up things about Palin that they never brought up about other vice presidents or even presidential candidates themselves and I suspect largely this is due to the fact that she's a woman.

Anyone remember Dan Quayle? The man was an idiot. And although I was not born until a week after he and senior Bush were elected in 1986, I can't imagine as much fuss was made about him as is Palin now. Correct me if I am wrong.

Here's one quote that demonstrates how fine a candidate he was:

"Its not pollution thats harming our environments, its the impurities in our air and water thats doing it."

Its absolutely ridiculous that people give this much attention to Palin's inexperience and widely ignore that the front-runner for the democratic party is in the same boat (or nearly the same boat).

SHE'S NOT RUNNING FOR THE POSITION OF PRESIDENT, no matter how close she will be to it. If people really cared that much about how close the VP was to being president, they should have taken a closer look at the creepiness that is Dick Cheney.

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About a week ago I was sent an e-mail with a commentary by a woman named Pam Atherton. This was the first time I read something of this nature and it really made me think.

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The worst kind of sexism is the kind that goes around masquerading as
progressive equality. We are seeing this kind of sexism in the choices
being made this year in the Presidential race.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a fierce defender of women's rights
and the need for equality in the work place. But the very first thought
and emotion that passed through my head and heart when I heard that
Sarah Palin was the choice of John McCain for Vice-President was that I
was insulted.

Insulted.

Because it was very obvious that she was chosen BECAUSE she was a woman,
not because she was the best person for the job. She was chosen because
of the belief that a woman will vote for a woman, no matter what her
qualifications, or lack of them.

That's even more insulting.

As a broadcaster, I actively stay away from politics. It's not my
bailiwick and there are other talking heads far more experienced than I
am to discuss these complex issues in depth. But the choice of Sarah
Palin is not a matter of politics. It is sexism. Bias. And it's
downright demeaning.

Would Sarah Palin even be on the Republican ticket if Hillary had been
in the number two spot on the Dem's ticket? I think not. Republican
strategists have been quoted as saying that they are hoping that Palin
will pull in disgruntled Hillary voters... BECAUSE she's a woman.

Wow. How many more ways can you call me stupid?

Hillary voters are typically pro-choice and against discrimination of
gays. Not exactly the type that swarm in Palin's social circle.

And are women on the whole so dog-gone ignorant that you strategists
think we don't care about qualifications? That because Palin has 5 kids
and carried her Down's Syndrome baby to full term, that we're not going
to check on whether she has the necessary skills to be the number two
(and maybe number one, considering McCain's age and health issues)
leader of this great nation? You know, what kind of experience or
education she might have in global economics, foreign policy, healthcare
reform... those silly little things?

Here's what I know. If I'm going to have surgery, I check into the
credentials of the doctor who is going to be in the operating room. I
ask around. I call the medical society. I talk to other doctors. I don't
just pick the guy/gal who seems the nicest at the grocery store, goes to
my church, or looks great in scrubs. No, I want the doctor who has the
best success rate for the surgery. My life is too important.

The future of this country is too important.

We women should not be offered positions we're not qualified for, just
BECAUSE we are women, when there are more qualified people for the
positions (and there are many other female Republicans who are far more
experienced, qualified and deserving of the VP nod.) The future of this
nation, the future for our children, is too important.

Correspondingly, if a male counterpart is heavily scrutinized for his
beliefs, ideals and actions, then a woman should be scrutinized the same
way. We shouldn't get thrown softball pitches if we're playing in a
hardball game. That's sexism.

So it insults me again when McCain and others say "Leave this woman
alone." Why? BECAUSE she's a woman? If the kitchen's too hot, baby...
get on out.

And before you get your panties all in a twist and say "Oh, it's all
just Democratic rhetoric again," note this: I am not a hardcore
political person for one party or the other. I have voted for
Republicans and I have voted for Democrats. I have written for and
guided campaigns for both sides of the political coin. I have always
voted for the best candidate (in my opinion), whatever their political
affiliation. So let's be clear... this is not about politics. It's about
sexism.

I have nothing personal against Sarah Palin. I don't know her. But I
have lived in Alaska. And I do know how small Wasilla is. (about 7,000
people and a couple of dozen moose). And I do know what it's like to run
a small business as well as a medium-size business. And I can tell
you... it ain't the same. And Alaska, as any Alaskan will tell you, is
not like the "lower 48."

I spent two days scouring the internet, reading everything people had to
say about McCain's choice for VP, both pro and con. Let's disregard what
many feel is an eye-opening vision of this potential president vis a vis
his choice of VP: A man whose brashness and recklessness is only
magnified by the lack of vetting of his running mate (my God, what other
decisions will he make so hastily, with so little input from advisors
and with so little research?)

I read everything that was available about Sarah Palin and her choices,
both personal and on government issues. (After all, she has little "big"
government experience, so we can learn about her decision-making style
by her personal choices. I encourage you to draw your own conclusions in
that arena).

Here is what women said:

--Women, in particular, are insulted with McCain's pick of a woman who
is so unfit for the job and who is an "extreme" social conservative.

--They are priming the pump by claiming Biden needs to "be careful not
to bully Palin" in the debate...oh good grief! As a woman I am stunned
by the patronizing Republicans. Do they think we're completely stupid?

--Nobody went easy on Hillary...she bested most of the guys and if Palin
wants to be in the big leagues she'll have to learn to take a punch.

--How dare the Republicans put up a woman who, had she been a man would
still be unknown...they would never have considered a man as poorly
qualified as Palin. They and she have done more to set back women's
standing than anyone!

A friend of mine asked me at dinner tonight, "How can you call yourself
a supporter of women's right when you feel this way about Palin?"

It's BECAUSE I believe in equality and women's rights that I feel this
way about the choice of Palin. Please choose the best PERSON for the
job. Don't insult or demean us by choosing just any ol' gal to put on
the ticket because you think we can't tell one woman from another. A
woman is not a woman is not a woman.

Just ask yourself this one question... If the Governor of Alaska's name
was Steve Palin... would he be on the ticket?

 
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Oh, and it didn't occur to you that she may be a democrat voter? Perhaps you should check her out? Maybe what made you think, Sentra was that she happened to put Sarah down. Obviously, this silly so-called 'broadcaster' (listeners: circa 76) is more of a democrat than she is a feminist. Feminist my ass!

"...(A)nd you're in the market for fast, professional and as-you-like-it voice over..."

A really serious 'broadcaster', our Mrs. Atherton is; voice-overs on request (for cash, obviously), and donations accepted for the Democrat Party. Yeah, sure, Sentra - we're all ears.

Our Mrs. Atherton again:

"After all, how can you go wrong with the original voice of Emily the Elephant on the Peek-A-Boo Zoo toy??!"

Heehee!

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The worst kind of sexism is the kind that goes around masquerading as
progressive equality. We are seeing this kind of sexism in the choices
being made this year in the Presidential race.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am a fierce defender of women's rights
and the need for equality in the work place. But the very first thought
and emotion that passed through my head and heart when I heard that
Sarah Palin was the choice of John McCain for Vice-President was that I
was insulted.

Insulted.

Because it was very obvious that she was chosen BECAUSE she was a woman,
not because she was the best person for the job. She was chosen because
of the belief that a woman will vote for a woman, no matter what her
qualifications, or lack of them.

That's even more insulting.


There's this weird thing happens to some women when another woman achieves. It's like for so long they've identified themselves as united 'victims' and then someone breaks ranks and actually slips up onto the podium, she becomes one of 'them' and must revealed as 'the enemy' at all costs. It starts in late primary school.

If the logic were really genuine and Sarah Palins pick is "the worst kind of sexism" ... then the Obama pick is "the worst kind of racism". The key names and isms could be changed in that speil and be revealed for what it really is. Silly, dumb logic.


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I have nothing personal against Sarah Palin. I don't know her. But I
have lived in Alaska. And I do know how small Wasilla is. (about 7,000
people and a couple of dozen moose). And I do know what it's like to run
a small business as well as a medium-size business. And I can tell
you... it ain't the same. And Alaska, as any Alaskan will tell you, is
not like the "lower 48."



In Australia we have a female Deputy Prime Minister and Deputy leader of the opposition. We have a female Govenor of Queensland and a female Governor of Australia and the list of female office holders is endless. I suppose the logic of some Americans is that Australia is just a teeny blip on the world map, therefore any idiot could be elected to positions of leadership. A bit like the logic condemns the achievements of Sarah Palin really. Get over yourself for heavens sake, Pam Atherton. It's honestly that type of logic that gives Americans a bad reputation in the world.

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The Democrate hate-fest brigade is surely going to shoot itself in the foot judging by the reaction of the Hillary Clinton supporters to the vile rhetoric aimed at Sarah Palin.

Check out some of the reactions on this Hillary Clinton forum yesterday...

This whole turn of events is exposing some very interesting attitudes now not so dormant in the USA. It's got this little black duck very intrigued, I must say.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=30924

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From the original topic post article,

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On Salon.com last week, Cintra Wilson branded her a "Christian Stepford Wife" and a "Republican blow-up doll." Wendy Doniger, religion professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, added on the Washington Post blog, "Her greatest hypocrisy is in her pretense that she is a woman."



I simply posted another by another woman, nothing more, nothing less.

 
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The arguments against Palin with regard to her inexperience, minority status, and “feel good affect,” fit Obama much better. He has skyrocketed in popularity only because he is likable and articulate.

He barely has a track record. He has zero executive experience - except as a community organizer. Some have said his greatest hypocrisy is in his pretense that he is black.

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I've been to two foreign countries and speak Kitchen Spanglish. I'm qualified to lead as President of the United States.
Usted es un Governor?

Por qué a Senator with un poco experience is qualified for el Presidente y queso grande?

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Trish, the link you provided was in reguards to the comedian,(and a lousy one at that) Sandra Bernhard. Sandra Bernhard is seriously messed up, has been for years.

 
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But as one of the posters comments, Sentra, it's not that woman that's most perturbing, it's the number of the audience cheering for her.

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As a fiscal and social conservative, I have been less than enthralled with either the GOP or Dem parties in recent years. I recall a few months ago receiving some "survey" in the mail from the GOP party soliciting "feedback" and donations. I never had so much fun in my life editing and critiquing the questions and scrawling in large print how disgusted I was with their party. For example, one survey question went something like this:

The Democratic party has been instrumental in bringing gridlock to Congress....

I crossed out Democratic and wrote in RINO [Republican in name only]. Almost every question I pilloried like that. Boy, was that cathartic!

I had told family and friends I was doing a write-in vote this year, prob. former U.N. ambassador John Bolton for U.S. President.

Then I heard Sarah Palin give her acceptance speech. Incredible.

That my gov't had stood behind the gov't-endorsed execution-by-starvation of Terri Schiavo a few years ago is a moment in my consciousness I cannot shake; that infamy shook me to my soul. To see then Sarah Palin's daughter tenderly spit-grooming her Down's Syndrome brother Trig, and to know that Sarah Palin was one of 10% of mothers who, knowing she would deliver a D/S baby, chose life anyway..... wow. Actions speak louder than words. If I were voting today, I'd be voting for Sarah Palin. There are numerous other reasons I like Sarah, but her pro-life stance is a biggie in my book.

I may change my mind between now and then, but that's how much of a tsunami change McCain's choice of a running mate has been in my thinking thus far.

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Aire, I'm having a fascinating time lately watching the growing movement of descent among liberals who can't abide the Sarah Palin hate generated within their ranks, by her pro-life stance.

The pro-choice argument is riddled with inconsistent logic but knobbles our intellect by aligning itself to feminism in my opinion.

Camille Paglia writes well on the topic, and although I stand at the other end of the spectrum to her, I understand and respect the sense she employs in dissecting this subject....


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Let's take the issue of abortion rights, of which I am a firm supporter. As an atheist and libertarian, I believe that government must stay completely out of the sphere of personal choice. Every individual has an absolute right to control his or her body. (Hence I favor the legalization of drugs, though I do not take them.) Nevertheless, I have criticized the way that abortion became the obsessive idée fixe of the post-1960s women's movement -- leading to feminists' McCarthyite tactics in pitting Anita Hill with her flimsy charges against conservative Clarence Thomas (admittedly not the most qualified candidate possible) during his nomination hearings for the Supreme Court. Similarly, Bill Clinton's support for abortion rights gave him a free pass among leading feminists for his serial exploitation of women -- an abusive pattern that would scream misogyny to any neutral observer.

But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument (as in my first book, "Sexual Personae,") has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

Hence I have always frankly admitted that abortion is murder, the extermination of the powerless by the powerful. Liberals for the most part have shrunk from facing the ethical consequences of their embrace of abortion, which results in the annihilation of concrete individuals and not just clumps of insensate tissue. The state in my view has no authority whatever to intervene in the biological processes of any woman's body, which nature has implanted there before birth and hence before that woman's entrance into society and citizenship.

On the other hand, I support the death penalty for atrocious crimes (such as rape-murder or the murder of children). I have never understood the standard Democratic combo of support for abortion and yet opposition to the death penalty. Surely it is the guilty rather than the innocent who deserve execution?

What I am getting at here is that not until the Democratic Party stringently reexamines its own implicit assumptions and rhetorical formulas will it be able to deal effectively with the enduring and now escalating challenge from the pro-life right wing. Because pro-choice Democrats have been arguing from cold expedience, they have thus far been unable to make an effective ethical case for the right to abortion.

The gigantic, instantaneous coast-to-coast rage directed at Sarah Palin when she was identified as pro-life was, I submit, a psychological response by loyal liberals who on some level do not want to open themselves to deep questioning about abortion and its human consequences. I have written about the eerie silence that fell over campus audiences in the early 1990s when I raised this issue on my book tours. At such moments, everyone in the hall seemed to feel the uneasy conscience of feminism. Naomi Wolf later bravely tried to address this same subject but seems to have given up in the face of the resistance she encountered.

If Sarah Palin tries to intrude her conservative Christian values into secular government, then she must be opposed and stopped. But she has every right to express her views and to argue for society's acceptance of the high principle of the sanctity of human life. If McCain wins the White House and then drops dead, a President Palin would have the power to appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court, but she could not control their rulings.

It is nonsensical and counterproductive for Democrats to imagine that pro-life values can be defeated by maliciously destroying their proponents. And it is equally foolish to expect that feminism must for all time be inextricably wed to the pro-choice agenda. There is plenty of room in modern thought for a pro-life feminism -- one in fact that would have far more appeal to third-world cultures where motherhood is still honored and where the Western model of the hard-driving, self-absorbed career woman is less admired.

But the one fundamental precept that Democrats must stand for is independent thought and speech. When they become baying bloodhounds of rigid dogma, Democrats have committed political suicide.

Camille Paglia is a Professor at The University of the Arts in Philadelphia and culture critic


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But the pro-life position, whether or not it is based on religious orthodoxy, is more ethically highly evolved than my own tenet of unconstrained access to abortion on demand. My argument (as in my first book, "Sexual Personae,") has always been that nature has a master plan pushing every species toward procreation and that it is our right and even obligation as rational human beings to defy nature's fascism. Nature herself is a mass murderer, making casual, cruel experiments and condemning 10,000 to die so that one more fit will live and thrive.

She doesn't sound like an atheist at all! She seems to believe that Nature is some kind of prescriptive God. She even personifies "nature".
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But she has every right to express her views and to argue for society's acceptance of the high principle of the sanctity of human life.
I agree, Palin has every right to express her views, so long as she does not try to make pro-life the default position. There simply isn't any science to support forcing women to carry foetuses to term.

I respect Palin's right to live out her beliefs. I respect her choice to develop and grow a thinking, feeling child from foetal tissue. However, Palin's beliefs are religious. It really needs to be stressed.

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She doesn't sound like an atheist at all! She seems to believe that Nature is some kind of prescriptive God. She even personifies "nature".


But you very self righteously dumped on everyone in the other God thread because according to you God is unknowable and therefore beyond defining.

Knock me down with a feather! Fuzzies has suddenly changed his own rules and can now define God and not only that, can proclaim another persons profession of atheism ... wrong based on it!

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Trish, if someone professes to be a-theistic, that is, without theistic beliefs, but then goes on to describe the world in theistic terms - eg "Nature intends us to do so-and-so" - then they are contradicting themselves. If Paglia believes that something called Nature is some sort of moralising, prescriptive force, then she is a theist (albeit a vague one).

I never said people could not create uninformed definitions of a god, in fact, obviously, people do that all the time - Allah, Yehovah, Aphrodite, Ramana etc, etc, etc...

What "rules" have I "invented" and "changed" here? None.
 
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If Paglia believes that something called Nature is some sort of moralising, prescriptive force, then she is a theist (albeit a vague one).


If you believe that something called "Reason", "Socialism", "Science" or "Existentialism" is some sort of moralising prescriptive force, than you're a theist? And I'm not getting into to one of your psychodelic excuses for logic in response so don't bother.

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I agree, Palin has every right to express her views, so long as she does not try to make pro-life the default position.


...and of all the players in this game, Obama has a much, much more blatant agenda and record with promoting his own default position which even many pro-choicers find offensive.


http://www.bornalivetruth.org/

"Can you imagine not giving babies their basic human rights, no matter how they entered our world? My name is Gianna Jessen, born 31 years ago after a failed abortion. I’m a survivor, as are many others…but if Barack Obama had his way, I wouldn’t be here.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama voted four times against affording these babies their most basic human right. I have serious concerns about Senator Obama’s record and views on this issue, given he voted against these protections four times as a state Senator. Just as abuse victims share their stories to educate the public, fight for the common good and hope that as a result politicians do what’s right, I felt it was important to come forward and give these new born babies a voice.

I am living proof these babies have a right to live, and I invite you to learn more about Senator Obama’s record on this important issue.

-Abortion Survivor Gianna Jessen


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Bill Clinton makes a number of excellent points regarding a candidates appeal to particular voters and the validity of their voting choices, in this interview.

I really hope Hillary gets her chance one day to be honest.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8dns6oX4p98

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I really hope Hillary gets her chance one day to be honest.


Why?

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