Beldin, I think that if I were to commit suicide, I would not know of the joy I was missing, therefore, it would make no difference. I hope you aren't offended, but I think that if you die because of the pain you feel, it is a guarantee that there will be no more. However, if you live only in hopes that the day will be better sometime and that you might experience joy, you will end up feeling more pain if that joy does not come. So, why give up on a guarantee only face uncertainty?
"Be yourself...because people who mind don't matter and people who matter don't mind" -Dr. Seuss
I disagree that happiness is an uncertainty. The moment you take the hardest step of all and allow it into your life, it's there. And you realise it's always been there. You just couldn't see it. Trust me on this.
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Jess, don't take this the wrong way, but your arguments are the reason suicide pills will never be made legal. As long as there's a chance for another day, there's a chance for happiness. (That aside, I DO BELIEVE in allowing the terminally ill to decide when they want to die, but that is not this thread's topic.) To say there is no joy in one's life, is to have such tunnel vision that your REFUSE to see any happiness, even when it exists. Happiness is not made up of grand events, it's from small, "nothings" that make each day livable. Did you share a joke with a friend? Did you do better than expected on a test? Did you write or create or hear something that made your internal cheerleader start jumping? Can you look at your life and know that at least one person would grieve for you? Have you accomplished something - whether it's finishing a project or surviving an illness. If a person can answer yes to any of these,then they have the basis for happiness in their lives. And as long as theirs a tiny kernel of hope, suicide should remain messy, painful and difficult.
As Lady Macbeth said: Do not stand upon the order of your leaving, just get the heck out of here! (thanks RBG)
rhon, I accept the blame for suicide pills never to be made legal, although I feel they should be. I also know that there is an opportunity to find happiness. Yes, there are good things in life, I have experienced many good things and have known many good people. However, there is another side to this happiness, the good things will disappear, maybe not immediately, but they will and someday, the good people will not be there anymore. You may not agree with anything I say and that's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but to say that a person has no right to die unless they are terminally ill is, in my opinion, wrong. I think that if a person wants to die, then they should be able to decide for themselves, if they understand that they will be missing out on some good things in life, and can comprehend the fact that after they die, they will have no opportunity to experience these good things, then it's time to say your good-byes and pray that you will never have to feel the need to die because of an emotional pain that you cannot ease. I hope that the people I am describing are not many. I believe that death is not to be feared, the only reason people live is to die eventually. I'm not saying that everybody who realizes that they are not immortal will decide to go and end their lives just so they won't have to wait to die. However, why should those who want to go be forced to stay? I believe that suicide is an answer, in most cases, not the right one, and I do think that if help is wanted, the person should receive it without question. I am not suggesting that a person should rush off to die somewhere if one thing in life goes wrong, but there are people who feel that they, as well as the world, would be better off without them. Like I said before, I do not recommend suicide, in fact, I strongly suggest anyone who is feeling even remotely suicidal seek help, but I refuse to put a label on all of those who have already died because of pain so deep that they couldn't even begin to heal it. I know you are probably going to come in and just tell me to go to hell and keep my mouth shut, but you have every right to do what you want.
P.S. You "asked" why suicide should be made painless, well, there are ways that are not painless. As for the original topic of suicide pills, they already exist. Any drug in the "right" quantity with enough strength, or mixed with others that react chemically are suicide pills. I guess if you want it that bad, there are ways around all the obstacles that are keeping you stuck.
"Be yourself...because people who mind don't matter and people who matter don't mind" -Dr. Seuss
Slain Myron Man, Hmmm..I don't believe we have corresponded with each other since the topic was closed in the writer's forum, you know, the one where I was told that there was no argument to be had. Well, guess what? This is now an argument. Where do you get off saying that this is funny? I don't think anything in this whole thread is funny!! Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but do you really find the fact that millions of people die every year because they thought life wasn't worth living, funny? Because I sure as hell don't. I'll probably get this topic closed too, but there really is no need to close it, I could be mistaken about your little "HeHe", I mean, your snickering could be just because you are so happy to be back on Quoteland! Anyway, I bet you're thinking that I should be thanking you for wanting to make these suicide pills legal, as you know, I would support the legalizing of such a drug. But, after reading your post, I completely understand why they will never be. Don't get the wrong idea, I mean you can think whatever you want, you can laugh at whatever you want, but I really don't think you should be laughing. You never know, you may find yourself in the despair many of these suicide "victims" are in and you surely wouldn't want somebody laughing at your pain would you?
Just my opinion, you can completely disregard it if you choose to do so,
Right. Let's put little 'happy' pills out on the market for everyone who wants them. Do you realize how many times a day people get depressed and simply want to end it, and then later they're thinking "What was I thinking?!". People act on impulse. Period. If we were to put these pills out on the market, at least 20 people would die a DAY, not really wanting to. I've dealt with the battles of suicide myself, and if those pills where out there, I probably would have taken them. Last year 'life just wasn't worth it.' But now, my life is great. Suicide is not, and never will be, the anwser. Live your life. We don't need to give people a chance to act on impulse and do something stupid. We make mistakes every single day........let's not make suicide one of them.
~*Rain*~
Dream. Touch the sky. Never, ever lost faith in yourself. You are important.
I agree, people act on impulses. I myself was contimplating suicide three years ago. The decision would have been much easier if there was a pill on the market. The main reason I didn't commit suicide was because I couldn't do something horrible to my body. That pill would have made it all to easy. We should want to help these people, not brush them out of the way because they have had a bad time lately.
I haven't read all the posts, so I'm very sorry if I repeat anyone. I just want to say this, and if it is never read and discarded among the "Yes" and "No" 's then that's fine. As long as it's there.
I've known two people who were very unhappy. They were not depressed, there was no medicine for them. Depression occured by illness, and unhappiness occurs from tragic events. Do you see what I'm saying? Nothing could help these two. Nothing we said, and nothing we did was good enough.
One took her life, and the other tried. The "first" had blown her self away, and the "other" had tried to slit her wrists. The latter was found and taken to the hospital. So which story ended the right way?
The Second girl is now very happy. After her attempt at sucide, a hospital roommate introduced her to religion. She now holds Life very sacred, and treasures her moments alive. Is this the normal ending to sucide-attempt-gone-wrong victims? Maybe not. But she became happy, while the other died sad.
Sucide is a weak act by a weak person. Sometimes people don't commit sucide BECAUSE it's too scary. When you are alive there is always that 1% chance it will get better. No matter how bad it gets, it can get worse. When you kill yourself you take away that 1%, and now you are a hopeless face lost amongst the people who gave up.
Life is unfair, and you will get treated unfairly. But was it fair for a 17 year old girl to take her life, simply because she was unhappy? Was it fair for her to ruin her life, her mother's, and her sisters' simply because she decided life was too hard? She held off it as long as she could...had there been a pill she would have done it sooner. Had the 2nd girl had a pill, she wouldn't have been found.
2nd of all...what if someone slipped that pill to me? I love my life, the ups and downs, and I would never want to die by my own hands. Do you think that people with wrong intentions are not going to give that pill to others?
It's sad that we even have a pill to do that. It's sad that the Science that the past has so much regard for to save lives, now has a pill to end it all.
Klep "Lord, what fools these mortals be." --Shakespeare, Midsummer Night's Dream (Puck)
PavLov you speak so casually of life, what difference does it make if you choose to leap off a bridge or take a pill to end it? Unless of course you're interested in making the pharmaceutical companies richer. In any case, if one is so unhappy and hell bent on death, any number of methods are already proven by others. Perhaps in your secret heart taking a suicide pill is an easy way to deny holding yourself accountable for not summoning the strength to ask for help in order to really live and participate in your life. For those who are suffering with debilitating pain, terminal illness or lie like vegatables, I believe a pill or injection (previously agreed to or stated in a living will) is a humane way to die with dignity. Wanting to make death easier with a suicide pill because we are unhappy and disillusioned with our lives is a cop out. but so is leaping off a bridge.
I learned I don't have to waste my time on people like you, Jess, while I was gone. But don't worry, I won't be bothering you too much with my oh so awful thoughts, believe it or not, I have a life beyond Quoteland.
To all who have replied, I understand that there are people who have a chance to recover, that is why this pill would have to be strictly regulated. In today's society there are people who would use it to kill others. However, I think that everyone kind of missed my point. All I'm saying is, if you can't find a way out of your despair, it is your own business whether or not you are going to continue to live in it, or if you are going to take yourself out of it. I hope that there are people who will seek help if they need to, but sometimes there isn't any help. If you don't agree with me fine, I am entitled to my opinion, as you are too.
Slain Myron Man, I'm glad you have a life outside of Quoteland because you aren't providing anyone with good advice by simply posting the fact that you think that people committing suicide is funny. I'm glad you realized that you don't have to waste your time on people like me, I don't need my time wasted by people like you. So, enjoy your Quoteland-free life, I'll enjoy it probably more than you will though.
"Me too, me too!!!" -came from some kind of weird conversation with a friend!!!
Slain Myron Man, Welcome back; however, for someone who has such a life outside of Quoteland, you sure came back fast. Well, let's call it a truce: I'll shut my mouth if you do the same. Well, if you have anything besides laughter to share in regards to the topic, please do so. So, here's your hug(X) and here's your kiss(O), enjoy them, I don't give them out very often.
Jessie1684
"Me too, me too!!!" -came from some kind of weird conversation with a friend!!!
Ok, this thing is getting very ugly what with all the snide remarks and those hugs and kisses being passed out! Oh just yuck ! Here's a thought for those of you hell bent on dying because you can't summon the stregnth to ask for help and accept the hand thats held out to you. How about walking in the shoes of someone who knows the day is nearing when they are are going to be limited as to the options for living without some strong ass pain medicatin to get them through the day? I know, since I'm aware of the future and since I'm of sane mind at this point , I just might as well pop a few too many pain pills some night and just drift off to sleep forever. Problem solved don't you think? At least when you are depressed or feeling despair you have the damn option of a tommorow! How about those of us who must live day to day with the knowledge that it might be that today is the day that brings the pain that nothing can touch, not even the best pain medications on the market? Sit back and pray for remission from an illness that has no cure? You want to die and to have it done in a manner that will offer you as little mess and discomfort as possible? MY WORDS TO THAT....NO WAY!! AT LEAST YOUR ALIVE AND HAVE THE OPTION OF A FUTURE!, TRY LOOKING INTO THE EYES OF YOUR CHILD AND KNOW THAT YOU MAY NOT BE IN HIS LIFE WHEN HE NEEDS YOU !!!! Gemini...
"And the stars never rise but I see the bright eyes."
Gemini7tat, Sometimes it isn't worth reaching out, you wouldn't want to take others down with you would you? I sure as hell wouldn't!! As for the hugs and kisses, I like to humor people and I like to be humored so sue me!!! I think you're just jealous so here's one of each for you too (XO). I don't think taking sleeping pills and going to sleep forever would be a wise idea, even if you know that tomorrow could be worse and even if you knew you weren't going to make it much longer with a routine lifestyle, especially if you have a child that does need you. I know that if I had a child, I would probably feel very differently about the issue, but I don't and don't plan on ever having any children. So, I am sorry if I offended you with my snide remarks and the show of random affection, but I guess you could say I'm just crazy.
Jessie1684
"Me too, me too!!!" -came from some kind of weird conversation with a friend!!!
I must admit that suicide really is a shabby answer to any problem. In fact, most problems are temporary, even the ones that seem hopeless. Hopelessness is a result of depression... and depression shrouds logic under a thick black cloud of sewege which renders the brain unable to make a logical cognitive decision. Therefore, wanting to die is an illness in MOST cases. There are exceptions.
Usually, if a person wants to die, its because they have lost some sort of grip on reality due to depression. That is precisely what depression does. It temporarily warps your feelings and outlook. Availability to a convenient suicide pill would only increase carelessness and inhuman amounts of death and suicide, especially in those dealing with cyclical depression.
My original post was intended to offer an easier way out for suicidal patients. But unfortunately, Ive made a turnabout on this issue. We already have ways to commit suicide, and a convenient little pill would only increase suicide and give people extra incentive to die. The system we have now is great. If people want to die, they have to do something horribly violent and painful to end their life, such as a shotgun to the head. The fact that suicide is miserable actually works as a rationing function. Only those that REALLY want to end their life will do so.
However, laws against suicide must go. These laws are pointless and no depressed person checks a lawbook before they jump off a bridge. "Oh wait, suicide is illegal. Nuts! I had better safely and calmly climb off this bridge immediately."
Besides, you can't prosecute a corpse.
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Pavlov'sDog, What happened to you recently, did you do some soul searching in your absence and decide that your whole perspective on the issue had changed? Anyway, you are right about the laws needing to go, I don't know of anyone who would "check a law book" before jumping off of a bridge. So, I guess you are right about the depression too. However, I just dont' think a person should be made to live if they dont' want to. Well, just my opinion, disregard it if you need to.
Slain Myron Man, You know what? You seem to be almost as "nuts" as I am!!! (XO)
-JESS
"Me too, me too!!!" -came from some kind of weird conversation with a friend!!!
Klep
