The subject of Crop Circles is something that has mystified me since ages. Crop circles are essentially strange geometric formations that are appearing by the thousands all over our planet. In a number of cases, the formations are clearly related to myths and religions.
The appearance of a modest, elegant circle of pressed wheat some 30 ft in diameter in southern England in August 1972, was the beginning of the study of crop circles in our era. Two and a half decades and some 10,000 formations later, crop circles have grown into complex mathematical fractals, in lengths up to three quarters of a mile, and covering areas as large as 200,000 square ft. Crop circles- or agriglyphs- can now be found in most countries around the globe.
Researchers and scientists had tried to pin the blame on pranksters armed with rope and pieces of wood. What has baffled scientists and researchers is that, Crop circles are created by a force seemingly at odds with modern science. Central to the hoax argument is that a physical object is required to flatten the crop to the ground, resulting in the breaking of the plant stems. In genuine formations the stems are not broken but bent (left), normally about an inch off the ground and near the plant's first node. The plants appear to be subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90ª, where they reharden into their new and very permanent position without damage.
Mathematically, genuine crop circles encode obscure theorems based on Euclidian geometry as well as the unalterable principles of sacred geometry. They have the capacity to alter the local electromagnetic field so that compasses cannot locate north; cameras, cellular phones and batteries fail to operate, and aircraft equipment fails whilst flying above them. Moreover, Crop circles are generally formed at night between the hours of 2-4 am, at night hours when most folks are asleep.
... as such when I ask, Do you believe in their metaphysical existence, I'm trying to really ask, whether people on QL believe that for the most part, crop circles are not being made by the human species, but instead seem to be symbolic messages from an unknown, high intelligence. And if you do not concur with this belief, Why so?
can't wait for this debate to start
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much love, light and laughter, ananya.
*~ Scatter Joy ~* - Emerson
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i'm sorry to sound stupid, but what does "metaphysical existence" mean? i looked it up in the dictionary and its description didn't seem to match when in your context so.... yeah. i was also wondering, is this similar to the stuff happening in the mel gibson movie "signs" coming out in august?
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Nah, I don't think that crop circles are anything special. After seeing about 3 demonstrations on TV, I think they have proven that it has been done by humans. It seems hard to believe, but then again, humans can do some pretty amazing things, I mean, being able pull a boat by my bear hands is not something that comes easy to me. But, once you look at crop circles, there is a very logical explanation.
Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson: "The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us."
You see what I see not. I see what you see not. Together we see nothing.
Hello everyone I didn't read the whole matter of the subject I'm just giving my opinion. As a 15 yr old student myself I do not know a lot of the mythical crop circles. I do know that when the crop (wheat, barley etc.) is folded and not broken, it continues to grow and the farmers can still use it. However, the fakes are broken and unorganized, unlike the real ones which were folded in a significant pattern. Some people believe that you shouldn't use the substance if it still grows (real ones) because it could have some serious side effect, like e.s.p or worse. I'm no scienctist prodigy and definitely no child genius, all i know is that I believe aliens or the "unknown" are real and maybe these crop circles and abductions are their way of telling us to get ready. Get ready for their arrival
i'm gonna have to say that something weird is going on. there are lots of scientific anomalies with crop circles, from simply dry soil after rain, bent stalks that break at 45 degrees, to cellular anomalies.(the first picture is of a normal cell and the second of one of a crop circle)
i don't believe that humans have the capabiliy to do this. i acknowledge that many must be fake, but it should be clear that out of the thousands out there, many are not.
and perhaps the most startling, is the one of the diagram of our solar system. it has all the orbits and all of the planets except Earth, whose orbit is present but whose planet is missing. there have been multiple interpretations.
---------------------- "The only difference that I see Is you're exactly the same as you used to be" -The Wallflowers, The Difference
"We sit outside and argue all night long About a God we've never seen But never fails to side with me" -Primitive Radio Gods, Outside a Broken Phone Booth with Money in my Hand
regardless, i think some people have WAAAAAAAY too much time on their hands. (besides, i think all that "heat" mumbojumbo is a troll started long ago far away)
not accusing anyone here of starting that rumor
just so funny to think aliens have WAAAAAAAY too much time on their hands.
Posts: 57 | Location: Victoria BC Canada | Registered: 09-11-00
Those pictures are amazing. One of the nice things about crop circles, is we will most likely NEVER know! I have to say they are beautiful, and although humans are probably capable of making them, I doubt all of them were done by "earthlings". lol
I am definately going to see the movie SIGNS!
A few questions come to mind - How would humans make them and not wake anybody up with the noise? How come no one was ever caught?
---------------------- "The only difference that I see Is you're exactly the same as you used to be" -The Wallflowers, The Difference
"We sit outside and argue all night long About a God we've never seen But never fails to side with me" -Primitive Radio Gods, Outside a Broken Phone Booth with Money in my Hand
I just saw Signs (sorry, I know this is a tangent). That was such an awesome movie! And really creepy...aliens freak me out. I really want to say more but I don't want to ruin anything for you guys. Just go see it.
I don't know if any crop circles are alien made or not. I sort of hope they are. I mean that would be so cool to be able to discover a new, intelligent species (a nice one, hopefully). All that stuff with the compasses not working seems to suggest aliens. Or have any of those pranksters managed to copy that?
Has anyone sat outside between those hours (2-4)and watched the circles get made? The only thing is, if the circles aren't human made, wouldn't you notice the big spaceship landing in your field? Or have I simply seen one too many episodes of the X-Files?
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Physical changes of plants and soil : Not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.
Swirl in multiple directions: Many formations have complex woven patterns of the swirled crops. Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise, but sometimes certain sections will swirl one direction and layers on top are going another direction. They sometimes even have multiple layers swirled in different directions.
Equipment Malfunctions: There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in & over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft). This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras... fortunately no pacemakers yet! No explanations for these occurences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions.
Formations occur inside restricted areas: Numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain.
Sacred Geometry: Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.
Reported increase in crop production: Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields. In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the "DNA" formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%.
Emit sound at 5KHz frequency: Researchers have measured a distinct emission of energy at 5KHz eminating from fresh (few days after formed) crop circles. This corresponds to reports of eye-witnesses who often claim to hear a "trilling" sound coming from the direction of the formations.
.... and last but not the least
Alignment with natural features of the land: This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossiblity without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design.
...What do you'll think?
references: The Cosmic Connection, by Michael Hessemann
Crop-circle Enigma by Roplh Noyes
The Ceroelogist, A journal for Crop-circle studies.
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much love, light and laughter, ananya.
*~ Scatter Joy ~* - Emerson
Posts: 5819 | Location: India | Registered: 07-03-01
..that if people made these, detective-type people could search for something left behind. Like threads from shirts and things?? I saw something like that on TV but it was not regarding crop circles, more like in a house. But anyway, wouldn't they be able to find any evidence with all their high tech stuff?
Posts: 85 | Location: Somewhere over the rainbow | Registered: 07-18-02
Why not think as Ananya does (as if she is the superior culture that formed the circles).
Just think about it for a moment. Ananya is a vastely superior culture that can perform lightspeed-travel. Ananya wants to come to the earth and convert us to something or other....maybe all being brothers and sisters in peace, love and harmony. Nothing wrong with that. So, in the over 27 years they have been here writing their crop circles on our land, these intelligent people have refused to learn a single one of our languages so they didn't have to make fancy designs on our crops. Furthermore, they have yet to make any direct contact. They want us to figure out what they mean. Such a mystery, but only for those who want to believe in mysteries.
So you say, "Maybe Ananya's culture is giving us an intelligence test"? Well why not in a language that they have obviously learned since they have been here 27 years?
Folks of QL don't be so gullible! Go to some of the websites that debunk such crappola. Of course, for those of you that want to believe such crappola, I know that is asking too much.
Why should a higher intelligence speak to us in signs when they should know our language? If you want to believe in pseudoscience, I really don't care. Just try to support it with something of substance.
Almost anytime something like this comes up, you will have to do your own research and decide. If you want to accept the "greater intelligence theory/I have yet to learn to communicate with you" go to your new religion in peace. Why should the scientists disturb you, except when you start to vote?
Nick
I can trace my lineage back to King Lear's fool, so it is genetic. Nick
Crop circles have also fascinated me, and although I don't have a position here is something to think about? Were the crop circles in the movie "Signs" man made or computer generated? If man made, you can make the case that they're just a clever and aesthetic hoax.
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If you like Crop Circles, you might enjoy this. It is an accurate picture outline of an Australian Aboriginal man, holding a Throwing Stick (A kind of hunting weapon like a non-returning boomerang), carved into the ground, four kilometres (Nearly three "miles" for those still living in the dark ages!) from head to foot.
Just after the movie "signs" came out there was a documentary on the History Channel about crop circles. They had some very interesting hypothesis's like plasma vortexs and Heat from the core of the earth making these patterns and stuff like that. I thought it was Very Very intriguing! But What it also said that 20% of Crop Circles can not be accounted for. What I mean is they have no idea where they came from! 80% of them have a background behind them.
As for me I believe in them! Aliens? Maybe maybe not...but I know something is making them. It may not be just the guys going out at night and hoaxing the world!
"Be who you are and say what you feel, for those who mind don't matter, and those who matter won't mind." --Dr. Suess
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It's obvious, someone has a giant stencil collection! On a serious note, it has to be Ladon! He's been burning the dinner, and throwing it on the neighbours crop! Wait, that wasn't serious! It's nuclear testing! We should all be greenies!
"I think I'm smart, people call me an idiot, why don't we just make a compromise and call me the smartest idiot you know?"
Just Like Santa Claus, Yeti, Bigfoot, Jesus, UFOs, Loch Ness monster, etc., this is a hoax that is mutating into myth status.
I planned on doing one myself in my wheat field a few years ago as a joke. All you need is a stake, rope, and a board. I planned on doing mine with a push mower as well.
They are cool to look at -- like most good art -- but when they are ascribed to green men or other dimensions or any metaphyscial cause, it makes me shake my head at such gullibility.
