Ok, I'm noticiing that more and more people are stuck in a Material World. (My, I've seemed to use those two words a lot tonight...)
But I myself prefering things I can't touch or smell or see. People find that odd about me, and I myself have a tough time appearing sane when I try to express my thoughts on things.
So, what do you guys think?




Reality - Mere physical things that can be perceived through touch and etc. This includes belief/religion/fantasies



Fantasy - Things that are imagined/aren't proven real/can only be believed through faith.



That's as close as I can get.

Reality: that which exists in substance or esssence.

Fantasy: that which is imagined but has no essence.
(You don't have to believe in something to make it a fantasy)

However, today's fantasy can become tomorrow's reality. That's what inventors do. Aeroplanes were once a fantasy, so was a man on the moon.

My favourite fantasies are those which cannot come true, as in some of my favourite fiction - David Eddings, Philip Pullman etc. What is interesting about fantasy writers is that they weave some interesting ideas into their writing. I suppose Pullman's Northern Lights Trilogy is a good example.

if you aren't in reality you'll get nowhere, if you haven't a fantasy you've got nowhere to be anyway. it's a shade of gray, you can't just have all or nothing.

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"The only difference that I see
Is you're exactly the same as you used to be" -The Wallflowers, The Difference

"We sit outside and argue all night long
About a God we've never seen
But never fails to side with me" -Primitive Radio Gods, Outside a Broken Phone Booth with Money in my Hand

It is the vacation into fantasy that helps us get through the hours of reality we live each day

I understand all of these views, but my question is what is the real line between fantasy and reality? I deas that were once fantasy have become reality and thing that are thought to be reality are sometimes fantasy. It all realy depends on the nature of each person and how willing they are to believe in their senses.

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I believe the fantasy that we are talking about isn't science fiction and if not science fiction then that fantasy is a good escape from reality. The world of Fantasy is what keeps most of us functioning from day to day. At night we retreat to it where we can be rulers of our own kingdomes. Within Fantasy we usually have control and that is why most enjoy it. If they lack in the area that allows them to fantasize themselve they turn to books or in the modern age movies.

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Originally posted by Agentk120:
I understand all of these views, but my question is what is the real line between fantasy and reality? I deas that were once fantasy have become reality and thing that are thought to be reality are sometimes fantasy. It all realy depends on the nature of each person and how willing they are to believe in their senses.(Take it easy on me, im only in grade school. This is new to me.)

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Good question. In fact, you could argue that everything we perceive is a "fantasy", a dreamworld created by our brains with the help of information supplied by our senses. Everyone has slightly different parameters for their senses, and so perceive the world differently. Especially since it is impossible for us to see the world as it really is (if you can say that), rather, we interpret our sensory perceptions through previous experience.

"Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul." JRR Tolkien

These are all good thoughts. The lines blur and it's difficult to see whether we are in a fantasy or reality.

This could all be a dream and death is just our "real" selves waking up.

Problems arise when dreams are more enjoyable then reality. What happens when you loose all emotions in life and only retain them in your dreams? If what makes us alive is feelings then one could argue that because the emotions exist only in dreams, dreams have become life.

If you look at human life from a cosmic perspective couldn't we be compared to something like a cell?

It is my belief that life is not what we percieve because perceptions are all altered by our own personal truths.

This is a bit difficult to debate because I don't think anyone can back up their own beliefs. That's all these are, just our own personal beliefs and truths.

Well, these are mine.

Reality is simply whatever we percieve as individuals.

You may argue that everything is different and based on individual senses, but if my friend throws me a football to me, it becomes reality to both of us that he threw the football at me, whether I closed my eyes to it or not, which by your argument would be one of our sensory perceptions by which we base our world on.

Ever Get That Sinking Feeling? Yeah Me Neither. - Aeras

That's assuming that both people are "normal." What if they are delusional? Then it isn't the same perception and it isn't the same reality for them.

What is the difference between normality and abnormality?
Today noone is normal or abnormal. When you begin to use those words you also begin to talk about general public.

Every human being today is trying to find themselves weather who they are is normal or not.
The concept of reality and fantasy can be misconstrued you can fanasize about reality and realize that fantasy is real.

I think the fantasy casandra was talking about isn't science fiction its simply non material things such as smell, taste, they are feelings, love, and imagination.

These things I prefer. for they don't have boundaries. they aren't things you can draw and have the same picture come out twice.

Fanasy can have essance its just a differnt kind.

"what ever happens happens. If your happy thats all that matters"
signed:Aumay