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, it is in the more industrialized countries that conservation is most aggressively pursued. Emissions in coal and wood burning nations are much "dirtier" than those produced in natural gas burning, hydroelectric and/or nuclear power plants..

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But in an industrialised environment the average person wastes more energy and resources to maintain their existence.
And as for pursuing a more ecological outlook in industrial areas - ever been to Delhi or New York or Tokyo or virtually any city in china - and that's just the air - and if they actually had to keep all the junk from their powerplants intheir own back yards rather than selling it off to some other place it wouldn't make it look so clean. As for nuclear power plants the only reason we are agreeably to it is because we ar e addicted to so much industrial enterprise - we still have NO IDEA what to do with the left overs

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Sustainable growth is a fundamental truth of population growth and distribution. There will be fluctuations as one travels up the curve, but we are feeding more people in our world now than we ever have. While we will always have the poor with us, the poor of today's world are, in general, much better off than those in the pre-industrial world..

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I take it you have never been to India and seen a poor person living in a village and a poor person living in a city - in the west you don't have poor people - only drug addicts - the problem is not that there are so many people onthe planet - the problem is that they are so centralised and possessed of excessive habits

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Is industrialization better for man? Well, if one looks at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html the picture for a newborn is pretty bleak in a non-industrialized nation. Furthermore, if one looks at the http://childinfo.org/cmr/revis/db1.htm of infant mortality data, the rate for the world dropped by 57% while developed regions' rate dropped by 84%.

-klm
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If you include the abortion rates in those figures it also looks pretty bleak - the fact that we cannot even comfortably entertain such basic social requirements as child raising with ease indicates what a precarious situation industrialised society is in.

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A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS BE CRUEL TO ANIMALS/ TREES/ AIR/ WATER/ LAND AND TO ITSELF.

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What is fast? Isn't fast a relative term? The Earth is spinning mighty fast and yet we do not perceive its rotation. Maybe if slowed it down too, everything would be great! Since it would kill off man (and everything else) there would be no more environmental destruction.

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Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

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By what proof or test results can you make a claim that the slower we experience things the more impact it has? Thougt precipitates emotion just as much as anything else. It is thought that allows you to perceive a situation and interpret it, even to apply what emotions are appropriate. Destroy the mind and you have nothing.

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The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.


Results :

(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)

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Could the emotion have been boredom? Which would explain its intensity increase as you slowed down the film. Is this is the case, play the movie at one half percent and make your viewers gash their eyes out so your forced to take them to a hospital and can't waste much more of their time.

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(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.

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The way you state this with such certainty, is, well gosh, darn right inspiring.

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(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

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We call this suffocation which leads to death. While your methods of killing your subjects are unique, it does not make it right just because you are doing it.

If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc…

Wrong. Cigarette's don't move, have a life, or even have chemicals that react with each other constantly. The human body has so many fluctuations and interactions between its bio-chemicals that it would not be as simple as studying an in-animate object.

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speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
pause/ silence between words.

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I'm sorry but this would just serve to make people laugh as their rational minds realize that someone speaking incrediby slow and in the manner they would be is not a common every day occurance.

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(1) A THINKING MIND CANNOT INTENSIFY / SUSTAIN ANY EMOTION.
While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is
particularly true for all painful emotions.

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By this postualte, no human could experience any emotion ever, unless a vegetable on life-support. Shall we ask Terry Shivo what she feels now, or later, since she's dead thats the ultimate form of slow or stopped thinking. Not to mention she was a vegetable before that, man the emotions she must have felt.

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One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

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What about the Alien's technology? Why couldn't we just watch it on their DVD players, and BOH so extensively proved they had in anonther topic.

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The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

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Doesn't this mean it would be impossible to perform your experiment?

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EMOTION IS WHAT REMAINS IN THE MIND WHEN VISUAL /VERBAL PROCESSING SLOWS DOWN (STOPS/ FREEZES )

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So in other words, our only chance of feeling emotion ever is when we are dead?

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Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with NUMBERS / SYMBOLS/ Equations / Graphs / CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day - every day.

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Every human interaction is done through symbols. The alphabet your typing with is composed of 26 symbols, your proposing what you say is evil to explain why it is evil.

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This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).

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Because no other society had money or used symbols or numbers or accounting (the Egyptians or Greeks never wrote anything down or spoke to each other or anything like that) from ancient times.

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SELF-ASSESSMENT OF ( SUBJECTIVE ) INTENSITY OF EMOTION IS ALMOST ALWAYS WRONG.

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So your assessment of emotion isn't a self-assessment?

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Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
A - 100units
B - 20 units

Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is
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A - 90 units
B - 18 units

If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

A - 9
B - 9

Who is right and who is wrong ?
A is right.
B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an
intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct /
actual score should be 1.8

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How can you pro-rate an emotion between two people, then say that one of them is "wrong" when he based his emotional feelings relative to himself on a scale of 1-10. Maybe to that person, he did experience a 9 out of 10 of that emotion. Your assumption that everyone shares the same emotional capacity or the same capacity to feel emotion equally is not only extremely fallacious, it undermines your original supposition that people are losing their ability to feel because thought is slaughtering emotion.

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Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
particular emotion under study.

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Would any determination of the reltaive possible intensity of an emotion be subjective and rely only on the the assessors self-assessment which you have conclusively stated will almost entirely be wrong under any and all circumstances when it comes to judging emotions?

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(1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
(2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
(3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
limited to searching for food for one time only.
(4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
years / a few hundred years.
(5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
(6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
(7) When man thinks he makes things.
(8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

(9) A thinking species destroys the planet.

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That was one incredibly smart meteor that took out the dinosaurs.

I can make snot come out of my nose. Which of the five elements and I destroying?

I can make a tooth pick from a fallen dead branch, which element am I destroying?

Plant species that produce oxygen are destroying or killing the enviroment for oxygen intolerant animals and forcing them to find habitats that do not involve the expanse of the atmosphere. Go give a tree your lecture.

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The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

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You mean the only one that has indulged in overpopulation, right? Because there are animals far more active than we are.

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A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new( unsolved) problem. Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to another - there is a continuous change involved -- there is no constancy at any stage.

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But he can apply what he has learned to solve future problems and other people use his equations on a daily basis, not to continually solve new things, but to keep things running well.

I am in awe at how your thought currently epitomizes the characters of corruption in a book I am currently reading. Keeping society stagnant is not a good thing. If you keep things static, they can never move to accomodate a new equilibrium.

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An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again –once he has made a machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

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Why is this bad?

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The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.

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Where is your proof? What standards of volume? Just because all those methods do exist, does not imply that all men are using them at the same time or each every day. This is a fallacy stated to move your rather dubious 'findings' or points.

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There is too much discussion in modern society.
Discussion is not solving our problems – discussion itself has become a problem – a gigantic problem.

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Once again, why is talking a problem? Communication is essential in a fluid society. If nobody knew what another was doing there would be Chaos. Suppose that a stop light stopped communicating to you. Many people would die.

Your using communication to try to convince people of its relative evil. Yay hypocrisy.

What about when discussions void the need for war? something that would devastate any area of the environment it was fought it. Well then it seems that evil is wiping out evil, and creating good, but thats not possible for you to grasp, is it?

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Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.

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We still are an agriculture based society. There are just less people doing in. Currently, an average U.S. farmer produces enough food for 144 people. Compared to I think it was around 20 people in the early 1900's. Boo to the technology that made it possible, its just the evil creation of evil thought and evil minds. Boo to the medicine that saves loved ones. Boo to everything of value man has ever made.

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Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find contentment and peace.

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Because no human has ever went to war to gain territory that is better in any way, including agriculturely, than their own.

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AS LONG AS CITIES EXIST WE CAN NEITHER SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT NOR THE MIND.

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DOWN WITH HUMANS!!!!!!

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To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

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You will be destroying more of the evironment to find viable land for crops by doing what you propose.

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It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note - polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]

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So drinking a beer every once in a while is equivalent to killing oneself? After all, alcohol is a toxin.

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The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile - very slowly - over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done - He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed

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Not all land in existence is suitable for growing crops, not everything is or was fertile.

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Man has stockpiled thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive nuclear material and nuclear waste which is going to remain highly radioactive and carcinogenic for the next thousands of years - and which has already leaked into the environment hundreds of times.

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I want 100 documented sources saying this has happened. And go!

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Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.

Big Mystery.

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It doesn't wonder. War is a way to control others and make a profit. It is only the naive in society that question why others make war. Otherwise, why would you waste precious production on something you don't know what cause its going towards?

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There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and millions of species existed.
Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of the species.

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WHY?!?!?! WHY DID WE KILL ALL THE DOLPHINS AND PUPPIES AND KITTIES AND ELEPHANTS AND BALD EAGLES!!!! WHY!?!!?

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It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth - and man has decimated all other species.

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Those dinosaurs were just cramping our style.

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THE ATTEMPT OF AN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE SHOOTING SOMEONE
10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET.

Time is running out for this planet.

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Would anything of the body remain? What are you shooting them with? Shotgun is out, handgun is out, cannons are out, bee bee gun? YES! The bee bee gun, capable of incresing irrritation the more one is shot.

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ery soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

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If there is only one animal and one tree, won't that mean there would only be one person? How will people, collectively, be thinking positive?

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There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

We can never save the environment by doing something.

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Lets do nothing! Hurray for inactivity!

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If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.

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Isn't this doing something? Hurray for genocide! It reduces our activity as a species!

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A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
They say birds are a threat to humans.

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Bird-Flu is a scare tactic. Nothing more.

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Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
They said cows are a threat to humans.

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Ummmmm, only the cows that had it!

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Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.

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Even the tippety top of the sky? Or the bottom of the deepest point of the ocean? How did we pollute the core of the earth? Thats part of every square inch, no? Its funny how we've decimated everything and yet I can look out my window and see abundant life everywhere.

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Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.


Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.

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So if only all animals had stayed in a sustainable fashion, they'd have gone extinct from lack of adaptation and man would never have existed. You know what this means right? We need a time machine! NOW!

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Gentle Torture

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So tickeling someone is bloody violent torture?

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The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

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Birds aren't animals? They need their own mention? You're right, I've been selfish to keep my tv and computer in the house where the birds can't get in to use them. How thoughtless of me, opps, maybe its that I've been thinking too much.

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I request readers to share this artricle with other people ]

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Why? Its just a bunch of garbage spewed out of another mouth your so adament at closing. Please, lead by example and do it first.

HAVE A NICE DAY!

~Aeras

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The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

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If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.

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After deep consideration of the above, and in order to single handedly save the world, I have decided to do the following:

I am moving to a nice cave in the middle of the dessert (can’t tell you which dessert, it would defeat the purpose); there's a little water hole within walking distance, so I will make a gourd out of a cactus and use it for a drinking water vessel. I will be totally alone, and am taking only the jeans and t-shirt I am wearing today, once that is tattered to shreds, I will just be wearing my birthday suit.
I am taking no utensil, no games, no computers, no music, no books (this is the hardest one) and of course no matches to make a nice fire to fend off the cold of the dessert night (fire smokes=smoke pollutes , you understand why the no fire rule) I will take nothing but myself.
Once settled in my cave I will indulge in countless hours of inactivity, I will not think, move, sing, dance, make fire, or use my intelligence, I will lie like a bump on a log, utterly still, I will reduce all activity by 99% (the leftover 1% I'll reserve to walk to the water hole for water and for bodily functions, that is until the day that I die of starvation because I run out of food, or my water hole runs dry or I expired because my brain died for lack of thought and activity. But I promise to even keep this activity to once a day) I will actually become nothing, a leaf of lettuce shriveling up in the dessert sun, and I will safe the world!!!!!!!!!!!
But before I stop using my mind to think, I must ask a favor of y’all, please don't follow me, don't join me, because if you do, then we might once again become a "community of thinking humans". We might once again become active, hence once again destroying the world by our disgustingly intelligent activity. So if you want to save the world, you are welcome to use my plan but find your own cave!!!
The following should be the last three thoughts before you shut yourself down and save the world:
Isolation
Inactivity
Inanity

I do have a question, you noticed by the above that I plan to be all alone, without contact with any other humans, because interaction with other members of my species leads to activity, and activity leads to overactivity, and the cause of overactivity is intelligence, and I have to reduce overactivity by 99%, and,sorry I'm indulging in overactive thinking, (me bad) back to my question. If we are to reduce all activity by 99%, and as far as I see it the 1% activity we are allowed will just barely let us be active enough for eating, drinking and bodily functions, how are we going to continue to populate the world? Because the activity that allows humans to "populate" the world can be quite active, can the 1% activity allowance work? I wonder?


enola_catori, Ladon, Jwpublius:
It is not my intention to be flippant, or disrespectful of other ideas or point of views. If above is not acceptable, please delete/edit/archive.
~A~

Never seem more learned than the people you are with. Wear your learning like a pocket watch and keep it hidden. Do not pull it out to count the hours, but give the time when you are asked. ~Lord Chesterfield~

"Do all things with love." Og Mandino