Davi- I guess that we are [pretty much] agreed. However, I do not propose the absolute that supernatural events cannot occur.

Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee.~ Immanuel Kant
Dos moi pou sto kai kino taen gaen. ~Archimedes

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Twister Wrote: Would you define an event of 'returning from the dead' as transcending the ordinary laws by which the universe is goverened?

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Ladon Wrote:"Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language." Philosophical Investigations Wittgenstein
"[A]nd language is our biggest adversary"

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"Language (ie that which humans use to communicate accurately and meaningfully with each other, imperfect though it may be) is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of philosophy, religion, sophistry, marketing, nationalism, and other unhelpful, opaque and misleading assaults upon the ordinary human brain" - Davdoodles 2004

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Actually I did not write that. Wittgenstein wrote it.

You quoted my signature not the content of my post.

Further, you should still read Quine.

"Philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our intelligence by means of language." Philosophical Investigations Wittgenstein
"[A]nd language is our biggest adversary"

Hi Ladon, it's good to see you around these parts. It's been a while!

I understood that Mr W wrote it (hence my witty header), but I didn't realise it was your sig. I thought you were presenting it to me as part of your point (hence my witty riposte - did you notice how in my response I cleverly turned his words around so they worked against what he was saying? - "Ha", I thought, "You're my plaything, Wittingtwhine!" - oh dear, there I go again!!! )

Anyway, I shall e-mail Mr Wittingstein immediately and take it up with him directly. I think a duel is in order. As he has the advantage in philosophy, and I clearly hold the high ground in worthwhile activities, I suggest that we duel by using, as seems fashionable these days, dynamite strapped to our own bodies.

The first one to explode shall be the winner.

I'll read the book you recommended, though anything called "The Two Dogmas of Empiricism" is really begging to be left on the highest, dustiest shelf . Reassure me: He's not going to spend several chapters patting himself on the back because he one day realised that the word "possible", if taken to ludicrous extremes, includes everything that isn't actually impossible, is he?

Say it ain't so!

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Actually The Two Dogma's of Empiricism is about 25 pages long. Sharp, concise, and to the point. And he discusses analyticity and how Kantians are fools for believing it. It speaks very little of language games.

PS-As I see it, Quine is quite the opposite to Wittgenstein. Quine wants to prove that Analyticity is unknowable therefore positivism is the only truthful epistemology via logic. Wittgenstein would raise many issues with this.

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Language is nothing more than shared normative conception that 2+3=5.

First: Good job in changing your signature Ladon.
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Quine wants to prove that Analyticity is unknowable therefore positivism is the only truthful epistemology via logic.

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Good luck to him. How is he wanting to prove this?

I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. -Blaise Pascal

I by no means think that Quine does disprove analyticity nor do I think it can be done.

Further, I have only read a couple of essays of his his large work. But simply put he is a positivist.

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Language is nothing more than shared normative conception that 2+3=5.

So, who was the better philosopher; Russel or Wittgenstein?

I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. -Blaise Pascal

Russell.

Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee.~ Immanuel Kant
Dos moi pou sto kai kino taen gaen. ~Archimedes

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Priori boy. I'm a rationalist insomuch as I believe that the only form of knowledge is a priori knowledge. I take the Cartesian school of thought in saying that the senses may be deceiving.

Edit:Hang on, that was post 1000...what a waste!

I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short. -Blaise Pascal

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in saying that the senses may be deceiving.

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Russell had quite a bit to say on that. Check the first few paragraphs of Problems of Philosophy - it's classic. He also highlights a few things about Descartes' Cogito.

By the by, congrats on your 1000th post (1000 - how cute . It's a pleasure to read them.

Have patience awhile; slanders are not long-lived. Truth is the child of time; erelong she shall appear to vindicate thee.~ Immanuel Kant
Dos moi pou sto kai kino taen gaen. ~Archimedes

caviar, no, that scripture does not mean or have anything to do with predestination, where in the world did you get this notion? where in the bible does it talk about people going to heaven cause it was predestined? yes, god knows us, and yes he knew us in the womb, he created us. he knows how many hairs there are on your head. But please don't be confused. " no man may come to the father but by me." has no pertaining value to predestination. I do not think god would be that mean, as you said. he has created man with a mind to think on his own, if god chooses people to go to heaven and to go to hell, then why should christians be spreading his word? what's the point, if people are destined for hell or heaven? then are we all just sitting ducks waiting for god to send us where we belong?. I like some proof of this, but seeing how preposturous it is, i really don't think it can be proven.

yes what you said about christians is true, they should be doing those things, and they do. if they don't then they are not real christians are they?

I expect to pass through this world but once; any good things therefore that i can do, or any kindness that i can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now; let me not defer or neglect it, for i shall not pass this way again. --attributed to Etieme De Grellet