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Hello everyone,
I'm sure we've all heard it before - "Tell a lie
often enough and it will become the truth."

I've seen this attributed to a number of people,
to include Herman Gobbels, Hitler, Lenin, but
regardless of the actual phrasing, where did it
originate and who started it?

I've already struck out at Bartleby.com and
QuoteGeek.com, I thought I'd ask here,,,

IH

 
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but, ImaHooligan, when you typed your reply... did you hit return/enter after every line or did it just come up that way? (Some people have been having problems with something similar and I'm trying to see if it's something basic that we're missing. smile)

I'm sure one of the smarter Quotelanders will check in with the answer to your question... big grin

Have a fantastical day!

 
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I inserted hard returns, I'm used to doing that from working with Pine - I did not insert them on this reply.

Oh, I forgot to mention; Quoteland.com attributes that to Lenin, but elsewhere others are attributed, I was hoping to find something authoritative and definitive to settle a minor dispute.

IH

 
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Except, it is enough, 5 times, 100 times, or a 1000 times. Nobody seems to agree. There must be a definitve source that has it accurate, if he said it at all. I also saw it as an adage.

"A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth."
~ G. Goebbels (Joseph Goebbels), Propaganda officer for Adolf Hitler
http://aig.smartbusiness.org/home/area/Creation_Clubs/docs/102quotes.asp
http://www.computec-int.com/bsc/war/excuse.htm
http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/feb/22akd.htm
http://www.ppp.org.pk/speeches/speech12.html

"Tell a lie a hundred times and it becomes the truth."
~ Goebbels, 1939
http://www.ius.bg.ac.yu/apel/materijali/info-warfare.html

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>Except, it is enough, 5 times, 100 times, or a 1000 times. Nobody seems to agree.

I know. Goebbels and Hitler are both named, Hitler apparently wrote something (similar) in Mein Kampf, but Quoteland.com attributes it to Lenin, who died in 1924 (see http://161.58.184.85/qldb/author/263) - they don't say where or when Lenin said it though (and he probably picked it up from someone else).

I sure would like to get to the true origin of this one, I'm curious as hell now.

IH

 
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"In politics, a lie unanswered becomes truth within 24 hours."
~Willie Brown, California political leader (current mayor of San Francisco)

"A lie told often enough becomes truth."
~ Lenin, Marxist revolutionary (1870-1924)
http://www.geocities.com/allaxul9/quotes.html
http://www.flexpress.net/quotes.htm
http://www.nwmissouri.edu/~s214560/quotes.html
http://www.mitcharf.com/~mitcharf/quotes/

"When a myth is shared by large numbers of people, it becomes a reality."
~Lawrence Blair

"Convince enough people of a lie, and it becomes truth."
~Ron Amundson

A lie that can be passed off as truth becomes truth

"Love is the basis for all the values. Action with love is right conduct. Speak with love, and it becomes truth. Thinking with love results in peace. Understanding with love leads to non-violence. For everything, love is primary. Where there is love there is no place for hatred." ~Sathya Sai Baba, discourse of 20-5-1995

the word, spoken loudly enough becomes truth

...a wise old owl....and a crafty old cat...
 
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The following website might be useful in determining the origin of the Big Lie quotation.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/repetition.html

This has both the Lenin quote and Goebbels expansion that is presumably based on it. Ironic isn't it that the extreme right and left of the political spectrum have such close thoughts. Perhaps its more of an indication of the similarity of totalitarian regimes, regardless of the ideology.
 
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Here are 3 quotes attributed to Hitler in Mein Kampf:

The broad mass of a nation .. .will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.

Only constant repitition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on the memory of the crowd.

The gretaer the lie, the greater the chance that it will be believed.

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In der Größe der Lüge [liegt] immer ein gewisser Faktor des Geglaubtwerdens (...), da die breite Masse eines Volkes (...) bei der primitiven Einfalt ihres Gemütes einer großen Lüge leichter zum Opfer fällt als einer kleinen. — Adolf Hitler, «Mein Kampf», I, 10. — München, 1939, S. 230.
 
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Volume 1, chapter 10, it seems. The context of the comments is always worth checking. The English translation is here.

"This most of all shows the assertion that the lost War was the cause of the German collapse to be a lie. No, this military collapse was itself only the consequence ... of an ethical and moral poisoning, of a diminution in the instinct of self-preservation and its preconditions, which for many years had begun to undermine the foundations of the people and the Reich.

"It required the whole bottomless falsehood of the Jews and their Marxist fighting organization to lay the blame for the collapse on that very man who alone, with superhuman energy and will power, tried to prevent the catastrophe he foresaw and save the nation from its time of deepest humiliation and disgrace By branding Ludendorff as guilty for the loss of the World War they took the weapon of moral right from the one dangerous accuser who could have risen against the traitors to the fatherland. In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on the subject, they will long doubt and waver, and continue to accept at least one of these causes as true. Therefore, something of even the most insolent lie will always remain and stick-a fact which all the great lie-virtuosi and lying-clubs in this world know only too well and also make the most treacherous use of."
 
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The Truth is often discussed and everyone has s different definition.

I don't think the Truth can be defined. I court they ask to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Impossible because they can define Truth.

For me the Truth is experienced not explained.

Blessing to all at Quoteland,

Michael
 
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