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Who said: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.?

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"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."
-Alexander Hamilton
 
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Can anyone find a source for this? Meaning, if Hamilton wrote or said it, where or when?

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Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947
http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~willu/Quotes.html

 
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Can anyone find a source for this? Meaning, if Hamilton wrote or said it, where or when?


The attributions to Alexander Hamilton are all over the Web, but I can find no hard evidence anywhere linking it to him. On the other hand the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations says that the British journalist Alex Hamilton said 'Those who stand for nothing fall for anything', in a 1978 radio broadcast which was subsequently transcribed in the journal The Listener. I suspect that the American Alexander Hamilton has had the credit for this quotation given to him through a very understandable confusion of names.

In a 1997 court case which entirely hinged on the authorship of the line 'You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything', the defence showed that similar lines had been used by Peter Marshall in 1947 (as thenostromo noted above), by Ginger Rogers in 1978, by the British Alex Hamilton in the same year, and by unnamed writers to newspapers in 1989 and 1990; also that it had been ascribed to both Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. Despite the amount of research that must have gone into amassing those citations no mention was made of Alexander Hamilton. Doesn't that suggest that it's a misattribution, and one which was not yet common in 1997?
 
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The phrasing sound to modern to be Hamilton. There are a lot of fake quotes flowing around the internet.

http://positiveliberty.com/2006/01/fake-quotes-refuse-to-die.html
 
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Give to us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for—because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~~Peter Marshall (1902–67) Senate chaplain, prayer offered at the opening of the session, April 18, 1947.—Prayers Offered by the Chaplain, the Rev. Peter Marshall … 1947–1948, p. 20 (1949). Senate Doc. 80–170.

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything."
~Alex Hamilton* (British journalist), in a radio broadcast (Nov. 9, 1978)
quoted in The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations

"You've got to stand for something or you'll fall for anything"
~Ginger Rogers [1978]
quoted in Political Quotations: A Collection of Notable Sayings on Politics from Antiquity through 1989
http://members.tripod.com/KRyanatLaw/entertainment/acuff2.ht

Many citations also have it as a 'proverb', and sometimes: Malcolm X. However, it seems to have been generally attributed to Peter Marshall.

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A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything. Malcolm X
 
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The exact origin of that quote is actually quite heavily disputed. Many people claim it was said first by Alexander Hamilton in 1978, but in 1947, Peter Marshall, a chaplain, said '...because if we don't stand for something, we shall fall for anything'. Which is clearly an almost identical quote said much earlier. It has also been contributed to Ginger Rogers and Malcolm X used it as a proverb in one of his speeches.

I believe that it was Peter Marshall, but it is clearly a quote which is impossible to pin down definitively.

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The Congressional Research Service attributes it to Peter Marshall.


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Give to us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for—because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.

Give us clear vision that we are going to stay and what-for if we are not for something, anything, we will fall.

What is the attribution?

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Give us clear vision, that we may know where to stand and what to stand for - because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
~ Peter Marshall, US Senate Chaplain 1947


Attribution to the The Rev. Peter Marshall US Senate Chaplain 1947 from the "U.S. Senate Document No. 86, 81st Congress 1st Session, Prayers Offered By The Chaplain, The Rev. Peter Marshall, D.D. At The Opening Of The Daily Sessions Of The Senate Of The United States During The Eightieth And Eighty-First Congresses 1947-1949", p. 20 (1949):

OUR FATHER, we yearn for a better understanding of spiritual things, that we may know surely what Thy will is for us and for our Nation. Give to us clear vision that we may know where to stand and what to stand for—because unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything.
Remind us, 0 God, that Thou halt not resigned. Harassed and troubled by the difficulties and uncertainties of the hour, we rest our minds on Thee, who dost not change. May it ever be in our minds as upon our coins that in God we trust. For Jesus' sake. Amen.

You can find the online version here:
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cg...e=root;seq=28;num=20


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typo in last paragraph:

Thou Halt s/be Thou hast

(15 min edit time limit huh?) [grrr]


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I believe this quote is a spinoff of God's warning to the king of Judah to trust Him!

Isaiah 7:1-9 (NIV)
When Ahaz son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, was king of Judah, King Rezin of Aram and Pekah son of Remaliah king of Israel marched up to fight against Jerusalem, but they could not overpower it. [2] Now the house of David was told, “Aram has allied itself with Ephraim ”; so the hearts of Ahaz and his people were shaken, as the trees of the forest are shaken by the wind. [3] Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out, you and your son Shear-Jashub, to meet Ahaz at the end of the aqueduct of the Upper Pool, on the road to the Launderer’s Field. [4] Say to him, ‘Be careful, keep calm and don’t be afraid. Do not lose heart because of these two smoldering stubs of firewood---because of the fierce anger of Rezin and Aram and of the son of Remaliah. [5] Aram, Ephraim and Remaliah’s son have plotted your ruin, saying, [6] “Let us invade Judah; let us tear it apart and divide it among ourselves, and make the son of Tabeel king over it.” 

[7] Yet this is what the Sovereign Lord says: “ ‘It will not take place, it will not happen, [8] for the head of Aram is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is only Rezin. Within sixty-five years Ephraim will be too shattered to be a people. 

[9] The head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is only Remaliah’s son. If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.’ ”

Blessings!
 
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