This is attributed to Tytler and is apparently unverified, according tohttp://www.bartleby.com/73/424.html
This webpage states
from "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic" by Alexander Fraser Tytler Lord Woodhouselee (1748-1813) Scottish judge and historian at Edinburgh Universityhttp://www.actionamerica.org/fun/tytler.htmlThen we have:
The quote from "Alexander Tyler" is very likely fictitious. His name was actually "Lord Woodhouselee, Alexander Fraser Tytler," and he was a Scottish historian/professor who wrote several books in the late 1700s and early 1800s.
However, there is no record of The Fall of the Athenian Republic
or The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic
in the Library of Congress, which has several other titles by Tytler. This quote has also been cited as being from Tytler's Universal History
or from his Elements of General History, Ancient and Modern
, books that do exist. These books seem the most likely source of the quote, as they contain extensive discussions of the political systems in historic civilizations, including Athens. Universal History
was published after, and based upon, Elements of General History
, which was a collection of Professor Tytler's lecture notes.http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: 'From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.'"
"I believe that forgiving them is God's function. Our job is simply to arrange the meeting." ~ General Norman Schwartzkopf when asked about forgiveness toward those who have harboured and abetted the terrorists of 9/11
Actually, it's more correct to post:
Well, I think it’s important only because the man on the street in the Middle East, you know, believes that he — a lot of people believe that he is on the right track and that he is some sort of a folk hero and that sort of thing. And I think it’s necessary to bring him down, one way or another. I will confess to you that, you know, one of the statements that’s been attributed to me that I’m sort of proud of is somebody said, you know, "What do we do about Osama bin Laden?" And they asked me, "Can we forgive him?" And I said, "Forgiveness is up to God. I just hope we hurry up the meeting." And that’s the way I feel about him, really.
-Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, [reply to the question: [how important is it that we capture Osama bin Laden?" on Meet the Press], February 8, 2003
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