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Intellect before Emotion.

I before E. I've heard this for years.

Whos said it please?

Michael
 
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PS I'm not looking for Emotional Intellegence, but I before E, being Intellegence before Emotions.

It used to be expressed I before E. I'm going back many years.


There's a ton of hits and books on Emotional Intellegence, that's not what I'm looking for.

Who said I before E, Intellence before emotions please?

Thanks a million my dear freinds at Quoteland.

Michael
 
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Please, this is important. Thanks a million. Michael
 
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There doesn't appear to be a quotation that exactly matches your request. Maybe something here will be helpful. Back for an edit: Had a gut feeling about Nietzsche and this morning found this first quote to be interesting.

"If one uses one's intellect to become master over the unlimited emotions, it may produce a sorry and diversionary effect upon the intellect."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche, Human, All-Too Human
http://www.sauer-thompson.com/...lome%20selection.doc

“The elimination of the will altogether and the switching off of the emotions all and sundry, [is] tantamount to the elimination of reason: intellectual castration.”
~ Friedrich Nietzsche

Nothing reaches the intellect before making its appearance in the senses.
~ Latin proverb
The intellect is always fooled by the heart.
~ Francois de La Rochefoucauld
But are not this struggle and even the mistakes one may make better, and do they not develop us more, than if we kept systematically away from emotions?
~ Vincent van Gogh
Every time a resolve or fine glow of feeling evaporates without bearing fruit, it is worse than a chance lost; it works to hinder future emotions from taking the normal path of discharge.
~ William James
I make all my decisions on intuition. I throw a spear into the darkness. That is intuition. Then I must send an army into the darkness to find the spear. That is intellect.
~ Ingmar Bergman
Modern man's besetting temptation is to sacrifice his direct perceptions and spontaneous feelings to his reasoned reflections; to prefer in all circumstances the verdict of his intellect to that of his immediate intuitions.
~ Aldous Huxley

Emotional responses are often expressed in extreme behavior and it is this type of behavior whose moral consequences are most harmful. Accordingly, intellectual reasoning may allow emotions to direct our moral conduct as long as these are, for example, moderate; when the responses tend to become extreme, we should in most cases consult the intellect before behaving in light of them. In this sense, the intellect allows certain degrees of freedom to the emotions, but this is not a complete freedom. For example, I have suggested that in the case of anger, which is quite an aggressive emotion, intellectual reasoning recommends that we refrain from behaving in light of our initial intense response and instead count to ten; after that, the emotional response will be more moderate.
~ Aaron Ben-Ze'ev, The Subtlety of Emotions

I.Q. is all to do with your head and the meeting of minds. You could have two incredibly intellectual sparkly people who know how to stimulate each other with a fantastic debate, but this is no way of saying that they have what it takes for a long-term relationship. Intellectually smart women happen to be derailed when it comes to relationship because the logic of emotions is different to the logic of thoughts. With a high I.Q., we are often so headstrong that we over-ride what our heart is feeling. We essentially silence our emotions.
~ Dr. Robert Holden, Success Intelligence (p.96)

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GNIEB >< BEING
http://www.gniebxbeing.org.uk/being/part2.html

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Thanks Jon, I'm also waitin on a dear freind who is a psychiatrist and has been for 40 years to give us some history on this. Will report when get.

Best to you and all at quoteland,

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except after c. Wink

Not sure who said it though.

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The friend of mine who is a Doctor says this goes back to St. Augustine.

A great fall to all at Quoteland,

Sincerely

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With nothing more to go on, I took a look specifically at St. Augustine's writings in regards to Intellect before Emotion, and found nothing to suggest that he ever clearly opined on this specific concept.
I did find that he wrote eloquently about the mind, memories, and feelings. Here is just one sample:
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Which images we store and how they are constructed, who can tell? Though it is clear by which sense each has been brought in and put away. For even while I rest in darkness and silence, I can have my memory produce color, if I wish; and I can discern between black and white, and what other colors I will. Nor do sounds break in from other parts of memory and disturb the image I am reviewing, one drawn in by my eyes. The memories of sounds though they are also there, lie dormant, laid up, as it were, apart. For these too I can call for, and at once they appear. And though my tongue is still, and my throat mute, yet I can sing as much as I wish. Nor do those images of colors—which nevertheless are there too—intrude themselves and interrupt when memory which flowed in through the ears is called for. Similarly, the other things piled in and up by the other senses I can recall at my pleasure. Truly, I distinguish the breath of lilies from that of violets, though inhaling nothing; and I experience a preference for honey over sweet wine, smooth surfaces over rugged, while at the time neither tasting nor handling, but remembering only.
These things I review within me, in that vast concourse of my memory. For heaven, earth, sea, and whatever I can think about them are present within me, apart from what I have forgotten. There also meet I myself, recalling when, where, and what I have done, and with what feelings. There is all I can remember, either from my own experience, or what others have told me.
~ Adapted from The Confessions of St. Augustine translated by E. B. Pusey. J. M. Dents & Sons, London, 1907.
http://www.humanistictexts.org/augustine.htm

Faith, by its very nature, precedes all other virtues. For since the end is the principle in matters of action, …the theological virtues, the object of which is the last end, must needs precede all the others. Again, the last end must of necessity be present to the intellect before it is present to the will, since the will has no inclination for anything except in so far as it is apprehended by the intellect. Hence, as the last end is present in the will by hope and charity, and in the intellect, by faith, the first of all the virtues must, of necessity, be faith, because natural knowledge cannot reach God as the object of heavenly bliss, which is the aspect under which hope and charity tend towards Him.
On the other hand, some virtues can precede faith accidentally. For an accidental cause precedes its effect accidentally. Now that which removes an obstacle is a kind of accidental cause, according to the Philosopher (Phys. viii, 4): and in this sense certain virtues may be said to precede faith accidentally, in so far as they remove obstacles to belief. Thus fortitude removes the inordinate fear that hinders faith; humility removes pride, whereby a man refuses to submit himself to the truth of faith.
~ St. Thomas Aquinas

http://www.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/439/SS004.html


 
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Thanks Jon,


Augustine & Aquinas are icing on the cake.

sincerely

Michael
 
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